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08 July 2017

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CE

As a companion piece to this I recommend Craig Murray's recent summary of "The Stink Without a Secret", with the bonus that he claims to have been personally involved in leaking the DNC mails:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/07/stink-without-secret/

LondonBob

Craig Murray says he still hasn't been questioned regarding his claims that the Podesta emails were a leak from the intelligence community and that the DNC emails were from an insider at the DNC, something he says he facilitated. Then again him being interviewed would be an indication that there was any vaguely serious investigation in to the matter. We might be different ends of the political spectrum but I have no doubts regarding Murray's credibility.

Anyway I appreciated Trump's Podesta tweet, Trump clearly realised that 'Russian hacking' would be the meme the usual suspects would deploy, so why not set the agenda. As much as this is now being turned back on the authors I still don't expect Clinton, Obama, Comey, Clapper et al. to get the justice they deserve. At least though it has opened people's eyes that they should be a little bit more cynical.

Bill Herschel

Enough evidence to simply not vote for Hillary Clinton. Case closed. Slammed shut. I have trouble believing that the following statement is actually true. But somehow I know that it is.

"Let's begin with the continued refusal of the DNC to allow DHS or FBI to examine the computer/computers of the DNC where the alleged hack supposed took place. Instead of insisting that the FBI examine their computers, the DNC turned to a private organization--CrowdStrike."

So, the Democratic Party elected Donald Trump. Case closed. Slammed shut. We will have to wait for the midterms for the results of the autopsy, but I think the Democratic Party is going to get a big surprise.

Politically the United States is probably the most interesting case study in the history of the world. Name the industrialized nations that do not have universal health insurance. The political party that currently controls every branch of government nationally and locally is trying to dismantle the feeble attempt at universal health insurance in the U.S. because it interferes with "freedom of choice".

Putin? The man is an absolute master of international strategy. Israel is attacking Syrian forces just across its border? We'll declare a truce there with the backing of the U.S. and Jordan with international observers. You think Rex had trouble signing off on that? I don't. Trump is so far out of his league he can't see the league. He tweets while Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin and Emmanuel Macron eat his lunch.

Jack

PT

Thanks for being on the Russian meddling in our election story. No facts will change the opinion of all the NeverTrumpers. And the MSM will continue to feed the meme as well as the hysteria. Mueller has another self-licking ice cream cone as his budget and staff will keep growing. At the end he'll not find anything but will indict a few people for some legal technicality and force some kind of plea deal.

The bottom line with respect to the DNC and Podesta hacks are that the TRUTH was released. There was no fabrication. This fact has been conveniently lost as it does not comport with the objectives of the IO - to delegitimize Trump, to absolve the Democrats for rigging their primary and their poor choice of candidate, to provide a convenient excuse for Hillary's losing campaign and above all to vilify Russia as they provide a counter to the Borg's hegemonic desires.

Sadly, you like Old Microbiologist, note how corrupt and self-serving the government/contractor nexus has become. Like a cancerous cell that keeps growing it can't be stopped and slowly kills the host by consuming all the resources. We are exactly there where this big government/oligarchy nexus has metastasized and is destroying our srength from the inside.

Now, TTG believes the Russians were deeply involved in their own IO campaign to influence the election. I trust his judgment. But, IMO, this would be no different than the IO campaigns run by the Israelis and Saudis who have been influencing our elections for a long time with big money, think tanks and various media outlets.

My own view is that we meddle all over the place and the hysteria of the NeverTrumpers is like the pot calling the kettle black. I would rather we focus on superior intel collection and analysis, drop our hegemonic policies, withdraw our forces from around the world and reform our economy & politics away from big government. Our emphasis should be economic development and trade relations that benefits the bottom 90%. The only chance of that happening is after catastrophe.

David Habakkuk

All,

An update on British interference in your electoral processes.

Immediately following the claims by Dmitri Alperovitch of ‘CrowdStrike’ that his company had demonstrated that the DNC hacks were the work of the Russian intelligence services, a former GCHQ employee called Matt Tait, who runs a company called Capital Alpha Security, backed up the story.

He ‘discovered’ various pieces of information in the ‘metadata’ of the documents produced by ‘Guccifer 2.0’, which supposedly were conclusive proof of Russian intelligence involvement – the main suspect, according to Alperovitch, being the GRU.

Among the supposedly clinching evidence was that the discovery of the words ‘Felix Edmundovich’, the name and patronymic of the founder of the Cheka, the organisation that did devastating damage to both the Red Army General Staff and more specifically its military intelligence in the lead-up to ‘Operation Barbarossa’.

(For Tait’s account, see https://www.lawfareblog.com/need-official-attribution-russias-dnc-hack .)

This is not conclusive evidence that ‘Guccifer 2.0’ was part of an ‘information operation’ orchestrated by Western intelligence agencies, but it certainly points that way.

Well, Tait has resurfaced again. From a recent piece on ‘The MaddowBlog’, on MSNBC.

‘On Thursday night, the Wall Street Journal published an important piece on Donald Trump’s Russia scandal, noting that a longtime Republican operative, Peter Smith, assembled a team that set out to obtain Hillary Clinton emails. To that end, Smith and his cohorts reached out to people they believed to be Russian hackers, affiliated with Russia’s government, because Smith and his cohorts thought these hackers may have stolen the materials.

‘The point, as we discussed last week, was to then use the stolen documents in the United States, exploiting materials from Russia to affect the American election. In other words, we’re talking about a group of folks who, in a rather literal sense, tried to collude with Russia as part of the country’s attack on our election.’

And the report goes on to link to another post by Matt Tait, which is entitled ‘The Time I Got Recruited to Collude with the Russians.’

This looks to me like a rather clumsy instance of the familiar technique sometimes known as ‘dead men talking’ – as when the MI6 agent Alexander Litvinenko, then probably being run by Christopher Steele, supposed author of the ‘BuzzFeed’ dossier, claimed that the former FSB deputy director General Anatoly Trofimov had described Romano Prodi as ‘our man’ in Italy: that is a KGB/FSB agent.

As Trofimov had been assassinated, aged 64, he could not confirm or deny the report – and it was easy to suggest that he had been silenced to prevent him revealing more. As Smith was 81, and there appeared to be nothing to suggest foul play, I had assumed that he would not be put down as another of Putin’s supposed victims. But it seems this assumption was premature.

(See, for example, http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/peter-w-smith-beyond-collusion-big.html .)

Particularly given that there has never been a convincing denial of the claims that GCHQ was employed to enable elements in American intelligence to conduct surveillance in support of their campaign against Trump without leaving a ‘trail’, there is I think very good reason to suspect that Tait has been acting as an agent of his former employers.

In relation to Steele, there is certainly very strong reason to suspect this.

Why you Americans are prepared to put up with having we British interfere in your electoral processes, to be frank, defeats me.

ISL

Dear Publicus Tacitus, please pass on my gratitude to your longtime friend.

Seems like if the IC is going to produce politicized assessments, they should be replaced by an intern in a basement making sh-t up - would cost just a few thousand dollars a year.

Meanwhile our politicos get a free pass on responsibility for making the decisions they want to make. Our politicos should man (or woman) up and take responsibility - Explain to the public - yes the intelligence disagrees, but I am deciding as such because my gut (or whatever) tells me that this is the right decision. And then let history and the voters judge.

Perhaps thats why 72% of Americans disapprove of congress. www.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx

Anna

"We are oblivious to facts. We go only with emotion and fantasy. "
I would say that we are creating "our own reality" (Rove) to fulfill the desires of MIC, FedReserve, the Lobby, and oilmen.

mayla

"Two groups perpetrated the hack: COZY BEAR and FANCY BEAR, the same attackers that used Android malware to track Ukrainian artillery field units back in late-2014."

https://www.grahamcluley.com/lithuania-says-three-cases-of-russian-spyware-infected-government-computers/

I don't know why the people at CrowdStrike would fabricate their findings. They get paid regardless of what's in their report.

ToivoS

Dmitri Alperovitch of Crowdstrike is not just a Russian born, anti-Putin expatriate living in the US, but he has connections with the Ukrainian nationalists that live in the US (these are people descended from the Ukrainian nazis that the US let in after WWII when the US govt rebranded the Bandera forces who fought in the Nazi army as "anti-communist freedom fighters"). Dmitri has close ties to the Chaluba sisters, one of whom was a major player in the Hillary campaign and brought him in to "investigate" the leak inside the DNC. The older sister is close to the Bandera movement inside the current Ukrainian government. These gals are not just descended from that big influx of Ukrainian Nazis that came in after WWII but are closely connected to Pravy Sektor today.

Peter AU

"The rest of the world watches our faux outrage with a mixture of bemusement and bewilderment."

In a lot of places there may be bemusement but not bewilderment. They have to build weapon systems and defences because they understand exactly what is occurring.

Russia, China and many other places see the US (state) exactly as it is.
The US is, and has for a long time been this Goring quote...
Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Much of the world have not been bemused by the trail of destruction the US has left in its wake in the last couple of decades.

The reaction of Americans to North Korea in the last thread was interesting. If you lot want security, it will not come about by attacking NK. Security will only come if you clean up your IC community and media so that Americans have access to accurate information.

Publius Tacitus

Huh? Your comment makes no sense.Surely you recognize the absurdity of what you wrote. If Crowd Strike gets paid "REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S IN THEIR REPORT," then what is their incentive to tell the truth?

AriusArmenian

I wish that everyone in the US read this article.

steve

The US has tried to meddle in the elections of other countries. Other countries do the same, except for the Russians? You appear to be making the case that the Russians alone do not try to interfere in the elections of other countries. I don't find that credible. They have their own interests and I expect them to act on them. (Also, I hope you realize that the guy propagating the Seth Rich theory is the same guy who was claiming that our country is swamped with lesbians carrying pink guns kidnapping people and forcing them to turn gay.)

Steve

Freudenschade

To paraphrase Col. Lang, of course the Russians interfere in our elections, just as we interfere in theirs.

Publius Tacitus

Okay Stevie, please explain how the Russians "meddled" in the Presidential election and provide evidence. I'll wait.

Yeah, Right

"I don't know why the people at CrowdStrike would fabricate their findings."

To further their own political agenda.

"They get paid regardless of what's in their report."

Then there is no barrier to them using said report to further their own political agenda, and get paid for the privilege.

That's one sweeeeeeeeat gig, and if I were in their shoes I'd milk it for all it is worth.

MRW
Also, I hope you realize that the guy propagating the Seth Rich theory is the same guy who was claiming that our country is swamped with lesbians carrying pink guns kidnapping people and forcing them to turn gay.
You referring to former Ambassador Craig Murray?
Freudenschade

Richardstevenhack,

you're setting up a straw man. Just because the US operates a certain way, doesn't mean that Russia has to operate the same way or that that is even the most effective tack these days.

I'd recommend anyone interested in the evolution of the Russian social media influence machine read this article on a Finnish journalist's attempt to investigate the "Troll Factories."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world/europe/russia-finland-nato-trolls.html

steve

The PI, Rod Wheeler.

steve

TTG is the pro. I will let him handle that. And, I will repeat that I find it difficult to believe that anyone more than casually interested in foreign policy would believe that the Russians would not attempt to do such stuff in the US and elsewhere. They have the capabilities and the motivation. It would almost be criminal, from their POV, to not try.

Steve

Publius Tacitus

You assert certain things as true but are incapable of giving specifics. Why do you even waste my time commenting? You have nothing to add to the discussion.

Publius Tacitus

Also, there is not "one" guy claiming the so-called Seth Rich theory. Please deal with facts. Seth Rich worked at the DNC. Seth Rich had contact with Wikileaks. Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, posted a reward for info on who killed Rich. That's not a theory smart guy.

Keith Harbaugh

Speaking of Brent Budowsky,
this column of his might be of interest:
“Will Trump appease Putin?”
by Brent Budowsky, 2017-07-05
http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/340742-budowsky-will-trump-appease-putin

Not only does Budowsky explicitly compare Putin to Hitler
(his denial of that seems patently invalid):

I am not comparing Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler,
but Trump must stop acting like Neville Chamberlain
by failing to confront this threat to democracy today,
as Chamberlain failed in his day.
but Budowsky also makes the following thinly-veiled threat:
[W]ill Trump continue to praise and appease Putin
in the style of Neville Chamberlain in the 1930s,

which would alienate most democratic leaders and
be noted with interest by
those investigating the Trump presidency
for its ties to Russia?
How about that for putting pressure on Trump.

It is also interesting to compare Budowsky's comparison of Putin to Hitler
to the fact that some on TV think Russia is still a communist nation:
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/07/the-eastern-bloc-and-the-communist-country-meme.html
Seems that Russia and Putin are getting hit from both sides:
Putin is Hitler, Russia is communist.

Procopius

Exactly. They have no incentive to tell the truth and every incentive to write something alarmist and frightening in order to sell more of their service. I have no way to prove it, and it's difficult to evaluate the reliability of the stories about a small group of professional Democrats fabricating the Russia Hack thing, but given Dmitri Alperovitch's anti-Russian history it is not unthinkable that the entire report is a fabrication just like their report on the Ukrainian artillery hack. There is no reason to insist that Seth Rich was the leaker. His death might be an unrelated coincidence. The leaker could just as well have been somebody else and support for Bernie need not have been the motivation. Clapper, who might possibly have been telling the truth, said on the day of his retirement that he had not yet seen any evidence of the hack.

Procopius

The Seth Rich story is not necessary for the leak story. Rich's murder might very well be an unrelated coincidence and the real leaker might still be happily working in the bowels of the DNC. Or unhappily working, who knows? To me the bigger source of suspicion in Assange publicly affirming that the source was a leaker. Wikileaks is not supposed to reveal any information that might help investigators find their source, so this might be a purposeful distraction, but it's true that if the package of emails was transmitted over the internet the NSA would know who did it. Whether they would reveal that is another question.

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