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08 July 2017

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Bandolero

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The most astonishing news from Saturday was for me, that the IDF didn't seem to help their favorite terrorists today as they were defeated by the Syrian army a mile south of Al Baath City.

https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran/status/883733569138565120

It leaves me with the suspection that after the Trump/Putin meeting someone relayed a message to Bibi that Trump and Putin may have agreed that - if needed - they both would take measures against continued Israeli support for terrorists in Syria.

The Twisted Genius

I hope everyone remembers Al Masdar reported an impending ceasefire back on 16 June along with an eventual opening of the Syrian-Jordanian border. The players were Damascus, Amman and Moscow. Washington is just going along with what was already agreed upon. Tel Aviv can piss up a rope.

Ralph Anske

Wouldn't be surprised if the growing importance of post-Communist Russia hasn't spooked the Izzies. Building their faith on "the historical record" rather than revelation (burning bush aside), makes them susceptible to paying more attention to the players, rather than what is being played.
According to their version of history, their G*d dealt harshly with those who tried to mess with the Chosen Ones. Egypt, Babylon, Persia & Rome -- among lesser lights -- felt the judgement of their Deity. The first three have been more recent targets of the zionist placeholders; the destruction of Sadam's Babylon and continuing opposition to the moderate flavors of Islam prevalent in Persia may be but an over reliance on a notoriously vengeful G*d.
Russian posturing as the "third Rome" (and the native land of many Jews) may be inducing the occupiers of the Holy Land to seek their pound of flesh there as well.
Me, I just wonder whether that Jewish oblast set up in the Russian far east will be accepting applicants, come the next diaspora.

Phil Cattar

Some of the answers might be in the book" Two Hundred Years Together" written by Solzhenitsyn about the relationship between Russians and Jews.However it has not been "allowed "to be published in English.If you have read it in French I would like to know what you think....................I am not an expert on Jung or his collective memory theory.However I always thought it took longer than a few hundred years to take hold.

English Outsider


The Solzhenitsyn Reader, Ed. Edward Ericson & Daniel Mahony, 2006/2009.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Solzhenitsyn-Reader-Essential-Writings-1947-2005/dp/1935191551/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1499595978&sr=1-1&keywords=The++solzhenitsyn+reader

Contains 200 Years Together (Shortened). I don't read Russian and have not seen the full version in English but I believe Solzhenitsyn gets the history right and in perspective. The Reader as a whole is one of the most valuable books I've come across. The translation is said to be good.


Peter Reichard

I can see how a Jew might regard even Nazi Germany as an historical aberration not indicative of German culture yet see in Russia in both Tsarist and Soviet times a continuum of anti-Semitism ranging from pogroms to the Protocols of Zion. Russia's current support of anti-Israeli states such as Iran and Syria feed this narrative. Many Jewish Americans descend from those who fled Russia at the turn of the twentieth century. Jewish Russophobia may be misguided but is entirely understandable.

Peter Reichard

Trump and Tillerson don't get it. A ceasefire in SW Syria is counterproductive to the US goal of overthrowing Assad or failing that a partition of Syria to prevent the dreaded completion of the Shia crescent. Any ceasefire like the deconfliction zones frees up SAA forces to better reconquer the east and secure the Iraqi border after which Idlib beckons leading to the final defeat of the US gambit in Syria.

EEngineer

Or it could be a prelude to Trump declaring victory over ISIS and going home. The unspoken goal of shattering Syria can be conveniently ignored. It would be the savvy way to spin the results on the ground.

The real question is what do the Kurds do next?

Patrick H

At his press conference in Washington on May 10, Lavrov said that Russia was especially hopeful of cooperation with the U.S. in the southwestern de-escalation zone, because of American interests in the region that borders Israel and Jordan. These comments were barely noticed by the U.S. media, which was entirely preoccupied with the firing of Comey the previous day, and the question of whether or not Trump leaked intelligence material to Lavrov during their meeting a couple of hours earlier.

It's somewhat reassuring to see a non-Borg agenda moving forward.

Babak Makkinejad

Both Baghdad & Isphahan were great cities for Jews during historical times.
There is a 5 volume history of Jews in Iran, written by Habib Levi - in Persian.
A one-volume condensation is available in English from Amazon.com.
Generally I have found Western Jews to be ignorant of all aspects of the relationship between
Yehud & Iran.

Babak Makkinejad

The Shia Crescent has been a political fact for almost a decade now. It became a military fact from 2011. It is yet to beome a cultural & civilizational fact.

DH

What a couple of dum-dums.

Pundita

1. SouthFront snapped up an extraordinary statement by Tillerson that I'd missed:

BEGIN QUOTES
July 8, 2017

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in response to a reporter’s question about US President Donald Trump’s claim that Russia might been aware of the Syrian chemical attack beforehand. “Maybe they’ve got the right approach and we’ve got the wrong approach”.
[...]
END QUOTES
https://southfront.org/rex-tillerson-maybe-russia-got-right-approach-in-syria-us-got-wrong-approach/

2. After waiting for hours for US-Russia brokered ceasefire to go into effect (noon today) and coming up dry at every source, I finally thought to check DEBKAFile to see if they'd scared up any news about it. They had.

BEGIN QUOTES
Syrian ceasefire deal skips Syria, Iran, Hizballah
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis
July 9, 2017, 3:42 PM (IDT)

The ceasefire which Presidents Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin agreed should go into effect in along southwestern Syria’s borders with Jordan and Israel on Sunday, July 9, is a hodgepodge of unknown factors with vague prospects – even by the rickety standards of that six-year war.

Whether or not it holds is of less concern to Israel than the military presence of Iranian and Hizballah forces on its borders. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu made this point at Sunday’s cabinet meeting, after putting those concerns before President Vladimir Putin last Thursday and US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson before the Trump-Putin encounter at the G20 summit on Friday.

Both assured him that Israel’s concerns would be taken into account. But neither spelled out what practical form that consideration would take.

The ceasefire deal they forged at Hamburg with great fanfare turns out to be no more than a generic title for a still unwritten piece of work on the prospective military and political cooperation between the US and Russia. Up until the Sunday noon deadline, nothing was heard from Tehran, Damascus or Beirut on if and how they intended to uphold the truce.

Jordan alone is celebrating the ceasefire and claiming it as a major feat.
[...]
END QUOTES

http://www.debka.com/article/26136/Syrian-ceasefire-deal-skips-Syria-Iran-Hizballah

DEBKA is just getting warmed up; lots more to the report but it boils down to sour grapes.

robt willmann

A report from the United Nations of 23 June 2017 on the situation in Syria actually contains some degree of detail. Numbered paragraph 3 describes the four "de-escalation areas" worked out by Iran, Russia, and Turkey at the Astana meeting--

"3. At a high-level meeting convened in Astana on 3 and 4 May [2017], Iran (Islamic Republic of) the Russian Federation and Turkey signed a memorandum on the creation of four de-escalation areas, where hostilities between the conflicting parties are to cease (including the use of aerial assets). One of the aims of the memorandum is to facilitate rapid, safe and unhindered humanitarian access and create conditions for the voluntary return of refugees and internally displaced persons. At the same time, the fight against Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and Nusrah Front is to continue both within and outside the de-escalation areas. The four areas identified are (a) Idlib governorate and certain parts of neighbouring Ladhiqiyah, Hama and Aleppo governorate, (b) parts of northern rural Homs governorate, (c) eastern Ghutah in Rif Dimashq, and (d) certain parts of southern Syria (Dar‘a and Qunaytirah governorates)."

Then there is this interesting note in paragraph 41--

"41. The signature of the memorandum on the creation of de-escalation areas on 4 May created an opportunity to improve the situation of many civilians in the Syrian Arab Republic. While the exact boundaries have not been identified, the de-escalation areas include all besieged areas, except Dayr al-Zawr (besieged by ISIL)."

The de-escalation areas include what the UN says are all the "besieged" areas, except for Dayr al-Zawr (Deir ez Zor), which is definitely a besieged area.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/s_2017_541.pdf

The "background briefing" of the State Department on Syria on 7 July 2017 includes--

"Question: Thank you so much for doing this. So Foreign Minister Lavrov today said in no uncertain terms that it was Russian military police that will be on the ground monitoring the ceasefire, but you’re saying that you don’t have an understanding on that. So is that not correct what the Russian diplomat is saying, and is the U.S. open to having it be Russian troops that are policing the truce? And then, secondly, I’m just wondering if you could explain how this interrelates with the Astana agreement, and since we don’t have access to the maps, whether this ceasefire overlaps at all with any of the territory that is covered under those de-confliction zones. Thanks.

Senior State Department Official: Okay, sure. On your first question, we certainly felt like we had enough shared understanding about this arrangement to move ahead and announce the ceasefire that would start Sunday at noon. As Secretary Tillerson said, the specific details of monitoring arrangements is an extraordinarily complex question and it’s something that we hope to have finalized to everybody’s satisfaction in the next couple of days. Let me leave it at that...."

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/07/272433.htm

I had a very positive opinion of the appointment of Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State, and still do, although occasional jingoistic and neocon-type statements by him have been surprising and disappointing. However, I like to think that his approach is influenced by the fact that his entire working life has been in the reality-based business of oil and gas exploration and production, which involves thinking for the fairly long term and requires the absence of conflict and war to be accomplished. The general public does not realize the technical aspects and many moving parts involved in exploring for, producing, transporting, refining, and again transporting oil and gas, before putting it in a car and zooming along at night looking at the stars or city lights. Tillerson's approach to issues and problems may not end up working in the duplicitous world of "international relations", but I would like to think that it is better than that of Warren Christopher, Madeleine Albright, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.

ISL

Dear Colonel, My two cents - the Nazis took the edge off pogrom-inspired hatred.

Hood Canal Gardner

Puzzled: "Forget the ME, think Korea." Does today's piece MOL mean SST is back to the ME?

Perhaps 'getting all the signatures on the Korean War/UN Action-Armistice paperwork is a waste of paper/time. Ie let it be/what's the point?

But perhaps the point is wrapped up in the not so dead dreams of Syngman Rhee, Gen MacArthur, the Dulles bros and today's Cold War neocon-miitary simpletons. That is, that another 100k plus US dead and wounded to unify Korea yielding Chinese and Russian land borders is "cheap price" doable and critical to continued US South Asia-Pacific hegemony.


turcopolier

HCG

IMO Korea is the threat to the US but you must be able to deal intellectually with more than one situation at time. pl

Croesus

Col., if your reading table can handle a bit more material ---

This comment by Tony Greenstein to a recent article on Mondoweiss -- http://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/devastating-tradition-liberalism/#comment-883056

mentions The Haskalah Movement in Russia, that it failed, resulting in the individualization of Jewish people rather than their cohesion around a national identity.

He further states: "Zionism was a reaction to Emancipation and a rejection of it. Both Herzl and Nordau hated it. Emancipation meant the individualisation of Jews not their formation as a nation. "

Jacob Raisin's "The Haskalah Movement in Russia." http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15921/15921-h/15921-h.htm explains that modern zionism started in Russia (Lithuania, Poland) which explains the geographic origin of many of the founders of Israel.

There's also much to be learned from Rabbi Henry Abramson's lectures on historic figures in Jewish life: this link is to the rabbi's sketch of Heinrich Graetz, author of the first modern history of the Jewish people, written in German, in the late 19th century. Graetz's history emphasizes "Jews as victims," but erases Jewish involvement in mysticism: both aspects are flaws, per Abramson, but Graetz's History was found in almost every Jewish home for nearly a century -- it was extremely influential. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqeRpiVQ-9Y

One more: In "Culture of the Jews" ed. David Biale, it is explained that a) the reality that Jews were successful in so many cultureS -- plural -- suggests that persecution & victimization is exaggerated. This exaggeration is perpetuated through Jewish liturgy: When a devastating incident does occur, it is commemorated with a prayer or song, which then becomes part of the Jewish ritual in perpetuity. Historians then refer to these commemorations of sporadic incidents and incorporate them as patterns in their histories. In other words, the practice of implanting emotionally charged negative memories has a long history in Jewish (and non-Jewish) culture, pre-dating Tsarist pogroms.

I spent a number of years in a monastery where the Roman Martyrology was read aloud every day. It's difficult to overestimate how such a practice can distort one's worldview.

As expressed here earlier, w/ the Col.'s forbearance, in my opinion it is a tragedy that "holocaust revision" is a proscribed activity: 1. discovering history is an essential and ongoing process; and 2. as my own experience and the above sources show, implanted distorted 'history' can last a long time and produce terribly destructive attitudes and outcomes, not only personally but geopolitically.

Peter AU

One thing unmentioned so far about this peace deal, to me it looks like the US have now publicly taken ownership of their proxies in SW Syria. Some time ago, after negotiating/talks with Russia, Turkey publicly took ownership of its proxies and called them off like a pack of dogs. Looks like something similar will happen in the south west with US.

different clue

Peter Reichard,

The challenge might be for Russo-neutral Jews like Professor Stephen Cohen to figure out for themselves just how they ended up in a brain-zone of Russo-neutrality . . . and see if they can create a guidebook or a political-cultural field manual for helping other Jews get to the same brain-zone.

Perhaps other Russo-neutral Jews can help work up such political-cultural treatment manuals. Then too, also, many of the non-Oligarch Jew-in-the-street type Russian Jews of today may well be Russia-identified. If so, maybe they could help the Russian-Jewish descended Jews elsewhere to reach the Russo-Neutrality Zone.

different clue

Lemur,

I see the possibility for an interesting poly-sci "lookback" experiment.
If there are Democratic officeholders who are beginning to align with the Trump immigration program, what parts of the country do they represent and how long have they been in office?

Does present acceptance of elements of the Trump immigration program correlate with past opposition to the various Free Trade Agreements? Does this present acceptance take hold within the areas of Great Lakestan and Rust Beltistan rather than in the Fun-in-the-Sunbelt areas?

Pundita

Speaking of NK, although McCain got in some usual snide remarks about Russia during his appearance on Face the Nation today, it sounded muted to my ears, and not a word about NK.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-senator-john-mccain-on-face-the-nation-july-9-2017/

I'm wondering if the Trump Admin put out the word to McCain and the rest of the Get Russia crowd in Washington (and UK) that right now and for the foreseeable future Russian intel on NK is extremely valuable to the US.

Moving along, from the following RT report it looks like Damascus is on board with the ceasefire deal, which really did go into effect today.

BEGIN REPORT
https://www.rt.com/news/395785-syria-ceasefire-us-russia/

Ceasefire deal brokered by Russia & US enters into force in southwest Syria
Published time: 9 Jul, 2017 09:54; edited 13:53
RT

A major ceasefire deal agreed upon earlier by Russia, the United States, and Jordan has taken effect in the southwestern part of Syria. The truce to end hostilities and deliver aid to war-torn areas will be enforced by the three countries’ militaries.
The ceasefire and de-escalation agreement negotiated by Russia, the US, and Jordan on Friday took effect across southwest Syria on Sunday at noon Damascus time (09:00 GMT).

The truce extends to Syrian government forces and rebel groups in the provinces of Daraa, Quneitra, and Suwayda.

Commenting on the issue, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russian, American, and Jordanian experts had worked out the details of the truce, which says the US and Russia bear shared responsibility in ensuring that the ceasefire is respected by all parties, the minister said.

Lavrov added that the ceasefire is aimed at getting aid deliveries through to war-ravaged areas and arranging contacts with opposition groups. A monitoring center in Amman, Jordan’s capital, will oversee the truce.

President Vladimir Putin, who discussed the issue with his US counterpart, Donald Trump, at the G20 summit in Hamburg, called the ceasefire agreement “a breakthrough, to a certain extent,” noting that the deal was made possible by Washington’s “more pragmatic stance” on working with Russia.

While little is known about how the truce will play out on the ground, it is understood that Russian, American, and Jordanian forces will be deployed to the area to stabilize the situation.

“In the first stage, Russian military police, as well as the Americans and the Jordanians, will ensure security around this de-escalation zone covered by the ceasefire,” Lavrov explained.

Russia’s foreign minister stressed that the ceasefire agreement clearly states that “Russia, Jordan, and the United States are committed to Syrian sovereignty and territorial integrity, as well as UN Security Council resolutions that pave the way to political reconciliation.”

The United Nations, in turn, has stated that it appreciates the international effort being made to bring lasting peace to this part of Syria.

“This is a step in the right direction,” UN Deputy Special Envoy for Syria Ramzy Ezzeldin Ramzy told reporters in Damascus, as cited by Reuters.

“All of this leads to supporting the political process,” he added.

Moscow has also engaged neighboring Turkey and Iran to push for the creation of safe zones in other Syrian provinces. The three countries adopted a memorandum on the creation of four security zones in Syria during peace talks in Kazakhstan’s capital, Astana, in early May.

Extremist groups, including Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and Jabhat al-Nusra (Al-Nusra Front), will be separated from the ‘moderate’ opposition in security zones set up in the cities of Idlib, Latakia, and Homs, as well as parts of Aleppo. Under the memorandum, all hostilities between government forces and the armed opposition should cease within the safe zones.

Checkpoints and observation posts will be installed along the de-escalation lines within the safe zones, which should provide free movement for unarmed civilians and humanitarian access to areas under the control of the guarantor states.

“The fact that the United States and the Russians have agreed on the ceasefire will make it more possible to be implemented,” Professor Seyed Mohammad Marandi of the University of Tehran told RT.

“The Iranians, the Syrians and the Russians believe that the more peace there is in Syria, the more pressure will be on the extremists to end the war, because ordinary people will see their lives back to some sort of normality,” he said.
[END REPORT]

Fool

Colonel Lang,

I am a Jew whose ancestors were chased out of Russia by the pogroms. I have not detected an "anti-Russian emotion of many Jews." To this point, I would argue, even the firsters were skeptical of the false flag anti-semitic leaflet incident in Donetsk in 2014.

IMO the current Russophobia among Borg / Dem party types, despite its many Jewish proponents, is driven by something else.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-condemns-anti-semitic-fliers-in-donetsk-ukraine
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Jews-cast-doubt-on-origin-of-anti-Semitic-flyers-in-Donetsk-349848

Brad

Excuse me....did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?

The US has annexed the Kurd portion of Syria,...built bases.
Now gets Putin/Lavrov to conceed FSA held Suweida.
Israhell sitting on its stolen Golan with UNSCRs mark occupation as illegal.
Israhell now gets all the territory frozen in ceasefire ...which is more
Stolen Golan.
Watch for trickster as Hezbollah and IRGC get labelled illegal forces operating
In de escalation zones.
Putin/Lavrov will not resist this forced play.
Israel needs the previous illegal Golan grab removed from political.
What better way than now create a firewall of new political intrigues.
It's all Kabuki theatre as Syria gets partitioned.

BraveNewWorld

Like most large groups Jews are a complex mix of sub groups. One split in those sub groups is Israeli Jews and Western Jews. There is considerable support for Russia\Putin among Israeli Jews due to the support Russia gave in helping Jews move to Israel and support for them them once they got there.

Western Jews are much more liberal than the Israeli counterparts and dislike Russia for not being as open, free and liberal as they view western states to be.

Of course they split other ways as well with the older Jews more in touch with the Holocaust and remembering who freed many of the concentrations camps. Younger Jews tend to move those considerations to the history pile.

I see almost no discussions/references at the many Jewish focused sites I keep my eye on about the pogroms. On occasion an Israeli politician will break it out for nefarious reasons, but that is it. Much is still viewed through the lens of the Holocaust. But again that is more of an older/Israeli thing than a western/younger obsession.

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