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21 July 2017

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turcopolier

LeaNder

The IP is in Zurich. Not definitive of a location but indicative. "Leaking" IS NOT "part of the intelligence game." Leaking is a part of the government game. The intelligence agencies are servants of the state, not the other way around. Governments sometimes decide to de-classify information and release it to the press. They frequently use the intelligence agencies to do that since reporters always assume that they have successfully seduced some intelligence official as a covert source. pl

Sam Peralta

Col. Lang

Do you believe there is an investigation of the leakers with the intent of collecting evidence for prosecution? If not, why not?

It would seem obvious who the suspects are, considering how limited the pool of people who would have access to this highly classified intercept information.

I was always under the impression that any disclosure of the most secret government intelligence information would be met with an automatic arrest and prosecution for espionage. If this is only selectively applied depending on your political connections, then it is only a matter of time before the system breaks down completely.

Sam Peralta

Jack,

Trump is tweeting today!

"A new INTELLIGENCE LEAK from the Amazon Washington Post, this time against A.G. Jeff Sessions. These illegal leaks, like Comey's, must stop!"

I too am baffled why the public "counter-offensive" seems to be limited to Trump's tweets.

If Clapper and Brennan are prosecuted and convicted they deserve at the very least the same treatment as "Chelsea" while in the hoosegow!

Fred

Jack,

"Clapper didn't get prosecuted for perjury."

Clapper has not been proscuted for anything. Trump doesn't need a leak to ask Sessions to resign.

J

Colonel,

Will we ever learn the names of these unknown bastards who are compromising our SIGINT capabilities? They're bastards when they undermine our National Security.

Eric Newhill

By all means leakers of classified information should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Charge them with everything possible and then strive to make as much as possible stick. Then see to it that the maximum sentence is received for each count on which they are found guilty.

That said, I don't really see how this game they're playing is supposed to work in the long run. An anonymous source is claimed to be in possession of classified information detrimental to Trump and/or a Trump team member. We (the public) can chose to believe whether or not any of this is real. If you hate Trump, you will accept the story as truth. If you like Trump, you will perceive it as at least potentially "fake news". If you're on the fence re; Trump, you will still probably require some proof that there is a reality behind the story if it is going to be used as ammunition to impeach or otherwise destroy the administration. Trump can proclaim the story to be fake news and taunt the media or the alleged source to produce evidence.

Point being, as some point this info and the leaker have to come out from under the rock and into the light of day; at which time they will exposed for prosecution. Or else it can all be written off as fake news.

And, if the slithering creatures that leak info are permitted to stay under their rocks and fight the admin with unsubstantiated stories and innuendo, then they have the problem that two can play that game. IMO, the departure of Spicer signals that the game is, indeed, about to become two sided. This will begin to resemble a world wrestling federation smack down. We may soon be learning that Mueller has been meeting with the Russians and colluding to destroy the Trump presidency, along with the Clintons and other democrats. We will be learning more about their nefarious business deals. We may learn about how Obama and Clinton sided with Al Qaeda. We will learn about molestations of children. Sky is the limit when sources are anonymous. At that point the original leakers either have to come out and show their hand or shut up. If the former, then they will be prosecuted.

Fred

Outrage,

"Sessions just announced that he plans to ramp up civil forfeiture."

The company whose employees have recieved leaked information and which continues in facilitating the spread of this illegal ly obtained information is the Washington Post. That company is owned by Jeff Bezos. What's stopping Session from seazing those assets?

Eric Newhill

Blayne,
I winced when Trump selected Pence for VP. That was the one major mistake he made. He should have chosen someone at least as reviled by the Borg as he himself is. Perhaps Gingrich.

Eric Newhill

Another thought; Trump can fight back with real evidence as he can declassify anything that is useful and then put it out there against his enemies. The leakers are stuck with a classified status.

Bobo

i can only encourage Trump to reintroduce Public Hangings for the next SOB caught leaking. That will put an end to this crap.

What most people do not see is that come 2020 the Republican & Democrat parties will be so splintered that Trump will be a shoo-in whether he runs as a Republican or Independent. Yes, he will have some great difficulties in the interim but with all the BS and Bluster going on what is happening or getting done behind the scenes. No question Congress could not pass a bill on the correct way to tie their shoes but we knew that. Illegal immigration is down, Food Stamps are down, ISIS is coming to an end, jobs are up, markets are up and oil is down so something is happening. If you think it's blind luck I will not disagree with you. The only thing we know for sure is the MSM is in tatters and full of crap.

J

Colonel,

FYI:

It’s Official: Impeachment Resolution against President Donald J. Trump. H. RES. 438

http://www.globalresearch.ca/its-official-impeachment-resolution-against-president-donald-j-trump-h-res-438/5599031

sid_finster

Good question. Without attempting q legal definition, I would briefly describe it as a largely unelected but mutually promoting group within the foreign policy and intelligence communities within and without the government and promoting a sociopathic vision of American Empire.

Bill Herschel

The key word in your post is "Another".

This is a RICO case: "The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization."

The series of leaks is being committed by an ongoing criminal organization, unless one assumes it is a collection of independently acting 25 year old Reality Leah Winner's, who incidentally is out of business and the precautions against leaking surely have been strengthened.

sid_finster

Because these institutions are so largely captured, the term "Deep State" can refer to the institutions themselves.

I prefer the term "Deep State" to "Borg" as I believe it more accurate, and it does not require a knowledge of 1980s American TV to understand the idiom.

How would you define "Borg"?

robt willmann

I happened to turn on the television yesterday evening at the time when on CNN Jake Tapper was trumpeting the "breaking news" from the Washington Post about intercepted conversations of former Russian ambassador Kislyak and former Senator and now Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Because of the subject matter, I watched it, and switched back and forth to the MSNBC channel to check, and it of course was also pushing the same line. Of all the nasty political maneuvering and mudslinging by politicians in Congress and by the media since Trump was elected president, this was to me the most disgraceful and outrageous.

The one little thing I noticed was that on both CNN and MSNBC, the talking heads they had on were trying to qualify their statements a tiny bit, and the viewer would hear them say "uh, uh" as they were trying not to directly accuse Sessions of a crime.

I do not need to spend a lot of time pointing out the obvious about the Washington Post's technique in these types of hit jobs, but the lead paragraph says--

"Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials."

You can see their selection of words: "he discussed campaign-related matters"; "policy issues"; "important to Moscow"; "with Jeff Sessions"; "during the 2016 presidential race"; "contrary to public assertions"; "the embattled attorney general".

Down in the ninth paragraph there is a vague disclaimer--

"Officials emphasized that the information contradicting Sessions comes from U.S. intelligence on Kislyak’s communications with the Kremlin, and acknowledged that the Russian ambassador could have mischaracterized or exaggerated the nature of his interactions."

Notice that even in the disclaimer, the Wash Post continues to peddle accusation as fact, saying, "... the information contradicting Sessions...."

It is also obvious that this latest disclosure does what has been discussed here before, and is the most egregious problem, which is that if the intercepts came from U.S. surveillance, they tell Russia that their communications of this type can be overheard by the U.S., and if they were encrypted, that the U.S. has broken the code encrypting them.

President Trump's criticism of Attorney General Sessions the other day, disclosed by the NY Times, was unnecessary and wrong. The person who stabbed Trump in the back is not Sessions, but Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein (the number two person in the Justice Department). After Sessions recused himself from the so-called Trump-Russia investigation, Rosenstein became the acting attorney general for that investigation. Rather than assigning it to a career Justice Department lawyer whose background shows no partisan direction or other suspect appearance, he appoints Robert Mueller. How it was that he approached Mueller, and what that conversation was like, would be interesting to know.

Here is Rosenstein's directive creating the special counsel--

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

The overly broad and vague description of what is to be investigated includes: "(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and...."

After observing who the lawyers are Mueller has hired for the investigation out of all the lawyers available in the U.S., one can see where this may possibly go.

Mueller himself was chief of the criminal division of the Justice Department around the last two years George H.W. Bush (Bush sr.) was president (1990-1992). From around January to May, 2001, he was the acting Deputy Attorney General, when George W. Bush (Bush jr.) was president. Bush jr. subsequently appointed him FBI director, and Mueller officially became the director on September 4, 2001.

A paper discussing an FBI director's appointment and tenure is here--

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41850.pdf

Rosenstein likes to use the word "link". Are there any "links" between Mueller and the Bush family?

During the CNN segment yesterday (21 July) about Sessions and the Washington Post story, Tapper anticipated that Senator Al Franken will appear on his Sunday morning show. This will likely continue the attack on Sessions.

The steps are apparent: first, retired Gen. Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor was out; now, the game is on push out Sessions as attorney general; then -- whether ousting Sessions is successful or not -- will be the ongoing effort to remove Trump as president. The Russian government is the demonized lever to use to get all three of them out.

Haralambos

Since I am not a lawyer, I go to others who are and try to understand the issues, especially regarding impeachment and pardons. This link deals with the first: http://tinyurl.com/yc6avo84

This link deals with the second: http://tinyurl.com/yc5un69a
I hope some will find this useful.
H

The Twisted Genius

Eric Newhill,

All this public battling to and fro with leaks and tweets is not the battle. It's all like duelling packs of howler monkeys bellowing at the top of their lungs and flinging poo at each other. The central fight is what the Mueller investigation is doing in DC and what the New York State AG Schneiderman investigation is doing. All the information revealed in these leaks has been known to Mueller's team long ago. We won't know what these investigations will lead to until indictments, if any, are made public or a report is publicly released. Until then we can either join the howler monkeys or go on with our lives and wait.

Mikee


"I am introducing Articles of Impeachment to begin a long process to protect our country from abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and impulsive, ignorant incompetence.”​ -Brad Sherman.

Preemptive Impeachment?

JoelS

I don't think the center can hold too much longer. When I saw the aircraft carrier christened today ($12 billion spent and 2 more years of work before it can be used), I thought of inexorable financial reckoning coming. The former chief global strategist for Morgan Stanley, the late Barton Biggs (d. 2012), a giant of the financial world who had a reputation for dead-on accurate predictions, warned in his last book that the complete collapse of the financial world was coming in the near future. Biggs wrote, "[A]ssume the possibility of a breakdown of the civilized infrastructure”. He went on to recommend buying arable land away from dense population centers and to buy guns and ammo.

ToivoS

Some of your characterization here has some some accuracy but your notion of my feelings about the people living in fly-over country is utterly wrong and founded on nothing I have said. My alienation from the so called progressives in the Democratic Party was due largely in part to their attitudes towards the people who elected Trump. I have felt that the Democrats have used identity politics in a way that has divided the working class rather than build any multicultural alliances. In fact, in quiet protest towards those attitudes I ended up voting for Trump if not publicly endorsing him.

steve

With the amount of leaking going on, this reflects poorly upon the competence with which things are being run. There should be a vigorous investigation ongoing and by now some names should be coming out so that the leakers themselves will be scared. Instead, unless there is lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about, all we see are complaints from this admin about how the leaks are unfair or whatever. Heck, if nothing else just accelerate the nominating process which has been going on so slowly and put your own people in place. Don't people read Machiavelli anymore?

Also, I stil dont see the GOP impeaching Trump. They can always drag things out until the next election. McConnell got 48 senators to agree to a remarkably bad health care bill. He would get those same people to oppose impeachment.

Steve

ToivoS

I would think that your efforts to define the Borg works as a definition of the Deep State.

dilbert dogbert

I understand Col. Lang's point of view because in his service leaks kill or endanger the life of the country. That said, the oath of office mentions foreign and domestic enemy's. The definition of enemy's is left as an exercise for the oath taker. Some could argue that lying or dissembling to a Senate vetting committee about contacts with, if not an enemy, certainly an opponent highly interested in influencing a presidential election, shades close to "domestic enemy".

turcopolier

dilbert Dogbert

The oath we are discussing IS NOT the oath of office. It is the oath one takes when "read on" for highly classified information. More sophism. pl

turcopolier

Toivo S

You are not paying attention or are a dissembler. The "Borg" is the foreign policy establishment. An American "deep state" if it existed would exist within the government. pl

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