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31 July 2017


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That's a keeper. If only there was a way to get this information to the American public at large.


Pantaraxia and Beyond Outrage,

Here is a transcript of the phone call Hersh made, published today. Hersh talks so fast you may not catch some of the nuances.
Seymour Hersh Cracks ‘RussiaGate’ as CIA-Planted Lie — Revenge Against Trump

(2:50-) "I can tell you right now, [Obama’s CIA Director John] Brennan’s an asshole. I’ve known all these people for years, Clapper is sort of a better guy but no rocket-scientist, the NSA guys are fuckin’ morons, and the trouble with all those guys is, the only way they’ll get hired by SAIC, is if they’ll deliver some [government] contracts, it’s the only reason they stayed in. With Trump, they’re gone, they’re going to live on their pension, they’re not going to make it [to great wealth]. I’ve gotta to tell you, guys in that job, they don’t want to live on their pension. They want to be on [corporate] boards like their [mumble] thousand bucks [cut].”

"(5:50-) It’s a Brennan operation. It was an American disinformation, and the fucking President, at one point when they even started telling the press — they were back[ground]-briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press, the fucking cocksucker Rogers, telling the press that we [they] even know who in the Russian military intelligence service leaked it. All bullshit. They were telling. I worked at the New York Times those fucking years, they’re smart guys, but they’re totally beholden on [to] sources. If the President or the head of the CIA tells them something, they actually believe it. I retired at the Times at the end of the Vietnam War 1972, because they were just locked-in. So that’s what the Times is, these guys run the fuckin’ Times, and Trump’s not wrong, I wish he would calm down, get a better press secretary, you know, not be so — Trump’s not wrong to think they all fucking lied about him."


This commenter was stating what I've been saying about this analysis. It seems bias and not very thorough.

The first thing that caught my attention was about the transfer speed conclusion. The second was no statement of assumption that whether the server was hacked or not.


At this point it might be useful to revisit the interview Ray McGovern gave in April this year.

Ray McGovern, a 27-year veteran of the CIA and co-founder of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity) ... rather more credibility in my mind than a few of the opinions skulking about in this 'cafe'/'salon'/'mess'/'DFAC'/NAAFI/'Bar'.

Per Mare Per Terram


Aaaaaaaand ... here come 3 'Willy Peters' ....

PAUSS ... let the smoke build .....


smoke screen & bullshit bullshit bullshit

These two should be sectioned under whatever mental health act you have in the US.



Those of us who know RM well do not share your high opinion of him. He has become a grandstander. Bonaparte said he had mules in his artillery which had served in six campaigns but hat learned little. pl


Fair enough,

I simply made a precis from the words on his online bio; to assume that means I bow to his & only his views on all & everything to do with Russia & the LEAK is stretching it a little. I was simply giving the guy a little more credibility in these parts than certain individuals who keep pumping out the 'Russia dunnit' meme in our as I put it ...

'cafe'/'salon'/'mess'/'DFAC'/NAAFI/'Bar' or whatever we are calling it.

As yet not one person has been able to provide on single item of PROOF that Russia was involved.

That he may be, but he is a member of VIPS no?

And thus far VIPS has nobody else willing to come forward to give an interview. A 'grandstander' he may have become but when faced with the sort of stuff I have linked in the following post from the likes of Morning Joe & Co surely some kind of voice is better than none.

The whole 'Russia dunnit meme' & the investigation - if it did not have such serious consequences both domestically & for all of us has now become such a farce that it is fast becoming a farce itself.

Otherwise a total smokescreen is created or the media just continues with complete 'radio silence' - as we are witnessing in the strange case of Ms Wasserman-Schultz & her Congressional PAK IT Consultancy Franchise scandal.

For the recored here is RM's interview in April for anybody who is interested ... April 2017 ... yep still very relevant ...



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