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26 June 2017

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BabelFish

Jacksonville. Viewed from above, it looks like an inverted hockey stick, with the St. John's river being the stick, the long part pointing south.

My wife and I watch the local news to confirm the Internet weather sources. The by product is seeing how many residents of the north and northwest sides of town have been shot. The news mentions the general street location and the type of crime -- gunshot or fatality -- but never a description of the assailants or a street map. The victims, well they are a gender. And anonymous by the time the next dawn comes along.

raven

And Trump is going to change all this most rickey tic. spit

steve g

Re: Philando
I live about a mile from the St. Anthony police
station and approximately 5 from the shooting.
When former officer Yanez was found not guilty
on all charges, first time an officer was put on
trial,the usual protests followed by BLM etc.
Coincidentally, 7 people were shot during that
time frame and of course not a peep from said
protesters. The constant denial by all the groups
mentioned by Fred of black on black crime is
staggering to say the least.

It seems each community has its Jacksons and
Sharptons ready to pounce except when the
nameless are killed by the unknowns.

BTW I thought Yanez should have been convicted.
Over reaction on his part and a series of fatal
mistakes by Castille. The police dash camera
the deciding factor, although the law says if
the officer fears for his life he has the right to
protect himself. Tough call.

ex-PFC Chuck

Re the Philandro Castille killing, this piece at the Minnesota Public Radio website: "Yanez juror: 'Nobody was OK with it'"

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/23/74-seconds-yanez-juror

beowulf888

Sorry. Maybe I missed the point of this posting. Is the author suggesting that illegal immigrants are the source of this recent spike in Chicago murders? Homicides in Chicago spiked upward in 2016, but they were still below the peaks seen between 1990 and 1995. Not sure about the current stats for 2017. And I can't find a breakdown of ethnicity of the perps. I'd be interested if this current spike is driven by cartel violence.

ked

That's a lotta bangs for the huck-of-it.

phil cattar

I was born(1943) and lived 24 years in N Jacksonville.It has certainly changed a lot since my birth.And it is NOT for the better.

Fred

BabelFish,

No one wants to disturb the narrative. Isn't Jacksonville the city where ex-Congresswoman Corrine Brown was given 18 felony convictions?

Fred

beowufl888,

No I am not suggesting that. You should read it again. You can't find ethnicity stats? Neither could I. It seems the elected government in Chicago manages to keep them secret. Maybe Hilary should have hired them to run her email system.

Thirdeye

https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

Most of those who kill blacks are other blacks. Interracial crime is relatively rare, but it is preponderantly committed by blacks against other groups. A lot of those fit the definition of hate crimes. But the various social engineering establishments are too obsessed with "white privilege" to acknowledge any of that.

Thirdeye

FBI ethnicity stats linked below.

Thirdeye

"...below the peaks seen between 1990 and 1995" seems like damning with faint praise. A lot of people bitch about the 1994 crime bill but it does seem to be one factor driving crime down during the second half of the 1990s. Another was Generation Crack literally killing each other off. Now we've got the children of Generation Crack coming of age and it's not pretty. I also suspect that the Obama "disciplinary equity" initiative is giving rise to a new generation of kids learning that there is no consequence to aberrant behavior, i.e. training them to become thuglets. There is a surge in school violence that we could be seeing spill over into into street crime.

Eric Newhill

Thirdeye,
The sad truth - from the FBI statistics - is that while only approx. 13% of the population, blacks commit >50% of all violent crimes (including murder). It is true that most of their victims are also black. However, with regards to interracial crime, blacks are more likely to victimize whites than the reverse.

The knee jerk reaction in assigning a cause to the propensity for violent crime is usually "poverty" (i.e. blacks are far more likely to be poor and being poor leads to crime). However, the correlation between poverty and violent crime is not strong enough to explain the situation (e.g. poor whites do not commit violent crime at anything like the rate that poor blacks do).

BabelFish

It is, Fred. It was so blatant that the local news was messaging 'guilty as hell', all through the trial.

The real looney tune came up when one of the original jurors confided in deliberations that the Holy Spirit had told him she wasn't guilty. The first alternate juror was seated and, as you mention, the jury convicted her on all those charges.

Now we have the movement to take down statues of Confederate historical figures and even of changing the city name. I wonder where that all goes, once they have purged Washington and Jefferson from our history. Perhaps the Romans?

turcopolier

fred
Please remember to "moderae" comments addresses to your work. pl

Fred

BabelFish,

George Orwell said, “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” That's part of another post. It has been quite successfully done to the various segments of our society to our great detriment.

Fred

Col.,

Will do sir.

Fred

Eric, Thirdeye,

35,000 or so shootings with almost 4,000 dead in one city alone in 8 years and on the surface it appears there was little done to address the issue besides, to use Eric's phrase "knee jerk reaction". I want to point out that I believe race is not the important factor here but rather the failure by city and even federal authorities to focus on the level and type of violence. The statistics are only that, statistics. How they are interpreted is another story.

From what I see in the data 80% of the shootings were unsolved. (I originally collected that data in early February.) Catching the actual shooters is important and it does not, it certainly should not, matter what color they or their victims are.

Fred

steve,

The data sadly doesn't show who shot whom but does show that 80% of the shootings were unsolved. As to the Castille shooting it looks like the police officer panicked. It should lead to a review of how candidates for police forces are screened and how police officers are trained. There are some people who by temperament should not be in law enforcement in any position.

optimax

I was walking my dog in the park one day. He was well trained and didn't bother anybody, in fact, he ignored a group of teenage black girls who started screaming hysterically when they saw Max. It was a game for them, screaming and giggling. A young black boy, about 10, well dressed, with thick lense glasses, trailed the girls, looked at me and asked, "Why are blacks so violent?" I said, "I don't know." The young man looked studious, the type of kid school thugs picked on for not being violent and stupid, the type of behavior they imitated. There are good people in the hood living in fear of the mindless terror endemic to their neighborhood. It's those people abandoned by society I feel sorry for.

Fred

Optimax,

The young man you describe sounds like a young version of Ta-Nehisi Coates. When I entered second grade at Woodlawn Elementary in Fairfax County (VA) in 1968 there was only one black student in the school. That was due to the end of legal segregation.

"It's those people abandoned by society I feel sorry for."

Me too. What are we going to do about it?

Eric Newhill

Fred,
I do think that the racial component to the problem cannot be ignored. However, that is not to suggest that there is something inherently wrong with "those people"; especially not from a racist/genetic theory perspective.

That said, there is a cultural divide that has formed, roughly, along racial lines. The urban black culture is the sea that the murderers swim in. We have seen in recent years public displays of the distrust that the various species of fish - both criminal and victim - have for law enforcement and the judicial system; as well for the dominant "white" culture in general. IMO, that rift is why we see the 80% unsolved rate.

This seems to me to be a situation where something like COIN might actually work. Among the techniques, there would have to be an effort to win the hearts and minds of those within the sea who are being victimized.

It seems to me that the left is doing everything it can prevent that from happening. Moreover, The Left has been working hard to reinforce the rift. So we have, in the midst of our big cities, insurgent controlled communities that are not open to influence by the agents of integration, civilization, peace and prosperity.

Studies have shown that it is not simple poverty that leads to violence. It is poverty in the face of great prosperity of others who are seen as being fundamentally different, whose success one feels one is barred from achieving due to an unfair system or a rigged game; again essentially what The Left keeps telling blacks.

For the murder problem of Chicago (or any other big city) to be ameliorated, the first step would be to remove Leftists from power or for Leftists to change their message.

Eric Newhill

Fred,

As an addendum to my response to you; it isn't just the ideology of The Left. In cities like Chicago, the political machine benefits financially from favoring the gangsters, who, in turn, are a big part of the violence producing culture. In Chicago this goes back at least to the days of Al Capone. It occurs in others big cities as well and, I strongly suspect, that money flows right up to the top in DC.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

Fred

Eric,

Public policy will not change genetics. "insurgent controlled communities that are not open to influence by the agents of integration, civilization, peace and prosperity."

Chicago is controlled by insurgents who are attacking civilization itself? You are reading far more into the murder statistics than I am. The rate is actually declining, which many point out. Having 80% of shootings unresolved is something they don't point too however.

"the first step would be to remove Leftists from power or for Leftists to change their message."

Eric, we have elections to remove people from power. The message that would need to change isn't only from the left.

Eric Newhill

Fred,
IMO, if you spent time in those neighborhoods you would get the sense that civilization itself is under attack. I was in Detroit last month and, yes, it is that bad in mile after mile of "neighborhoods" (if they can still be called that). When you fear, daily, being beat down, robbed or hit by a bullet, aimed or stray, that is not civilization. That is a wild frontier, a jungle a Mad Max world.

What do genetics have to do with any of this other than humans being simple creatures that instinctively make often artificial divisions of in-group/out-group based on superficial characteristics? Are you saying that blacks kill each other because they have a genetic predisposition to predatory violence? I do not buy that argument. Rather, I would say that some % of all of us have a tendency in that direction and some cultures allow, perhaps encourage, its expression.

I thought we are all supposed to be Americans contributing what we can to the improvement of our society. How do we get the people in question, especially the victims, to buy into that? That is where leftist memes are counter-productive. You're not going to solve more murders and get the murderers off the streets if the people don't want to cooperate with law enforcement and the judicial system. You're not going to prevent the next generation of murderers from developing if you keep sending the message to the culture that they are being screwed by a privileged racist society that will always hate them, when you issue incentives for single mother homes, when you message that law enforcement wants to genocide them, when you construct ready made excuses for failure to adopt a culture of success. All of that needs to be countered in conjunction with enhanced law enforcement; which won't happen with Democrats in charge.

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