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30 June 2017

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Nancy K

Col Lang, I agree with your father on all 3 points.

turcopolier

Dante Alighieri

I have actually heard of The Inferno. I must have found a copy in a barber shop. Which circle did you escape from or are you just a refugee from Limbo. Catholic reference. I am here to remind of standards I think appropriate. you should not think that I thought DJT is a "chevalier sans reproche." pl

turcopolier

nancy K

I'll try to remember some of his other "dichos" about this. Interesting guy, he spoke Tagalog and Spanish learned the hard way. Oh, yes, he said the best way to learn a language was to get a "long haired dictionary." pl

Karl Kolchak

Eh--his war crimes matter more to me than insulting some vacuous talk show host. Obama and Bush were supposedly gentlemen, but still would be hung if there ever is an American Nuremberg Tribunal.

Dr.Puck

My original amatuer opinion remains unaltered by new reports of Trump's behavioral habits. Still, if he is using drugs in a non-clinical regimen, he would be considered to have a "dual diagnosis."

wisedupearly

Chivalry? I have always seen chivalry as strength of self-respect. The gentleman holds the door open even for the unlovable because to fail to do so indicates a failure in self control.
The gentleman never makes the effort needed to realize self control obvious to others because that is boorishness.
The gentleman never acts in expectation of reward. That is what children do.
Some would hold that gentlemen must act "without thinking". I disagree.
I would say "A gentleman must act so that it seems completely natural and automatic."

optimax

"... and then nudging back in place once she is seated." It only works if the woman is under a certain weight, or, if she's too hefty to nudge, she helps.

I also like to open the car door for a woman.

I use to power walk some busy streets and when I approached a crosswalk frequently I heard the doors lock in women's cars. Some black men consider it a sign of racism when it happens to them but I always thought to myself, "I'm glad the sight of me reminded you to lock your door. Stay safe, woman."

mike

Eric -

The smiles are worth it. I'm old and wrinkled and ugly but have noticed that extreme courtesy seems to work in that regard.

Try the hat tip thing sometime. I generally only wear a cap when out doing a daily walk. Lots of lady joggers or walkers out there so I never do the full Sir Walter Raleigh flourish - sometimes just a small touch to the brim and tip it back. That is what my father did most of the time, he only took his fedora off completely when introduced, but even that was done low-key and subtly. He would save the full flourish for Mom's mother, sisters and aunts or their friends. They loved it.

Bobo

Poor Donald, he missed his calling as he was enlisted in the family business the dog eat dog world of NY Real Estate which seems to create an edge and a sensitivity to what others think. He certainly is a Gentleman when he wants to be but when he comes across an individual who castigates him constantly-Katie Bar the Door- he retorts quite rapidly and sharply. I think the only falsehood in his tweet to Mika was the part of low IQ which I'm sure he was in error there. I certainly do not condone his style and try to maintain my own standard of what a Gentleman is in accordance with the Colonel's intent and others comments. There is and always will be a positive thought or response when a man acts in the proper fashion of a Gentleman. Of course there are exceptions to everything.
The man was elected President to do a job to get this country moving and while he is doing it he is hamstrung with a MSM that is driving itself into the ground with constant falsehoods and barbs over whatever the man says, does or what the MSM perceives. There is also a tremendous backlash from the non Trump voters and denizens of the Swamp that is well out of hand. Both of these groups actions has been a wake up call to the American people that will have a reaction.
I truly believe he should of been a TV Commentator where his BS could be spread through the world. In the interim the man has a job to do Gentleman or not.

Prem

Didn't Trump go to a military school? One would have thought that decorum and the "done thing" would have been dinned into him there. And his father was rich abd his grandfather pretty well-off, but the man has the demeanor of street thug like Meyer Lansky.

The Atlantic has a theory that he lobbed this grenade to distract from some development in the Russia story. This is absurd - the Russia story is a big fat nothing, and Trump, and his boorishness, have been notorious for 40 years. There were movie characters based on him in the '80s (Gremlins, Back to the Future 2).

All the same, if I were American and I lived in a swing state, I would still have voted for him. Such is the state of politics in 2017.

FB Ali

"...the best way to learn a language was to get a "long haired dictionary."

Absolutely superb! The others are very good, too, but this is the best.

I hope you'll try to recall some more and share them with us.

The Beaver

the best way to learn a language was to get a "long haired dictionary."

LOL.

Croesus

Thank you for that insight. I confess -- I wasn't thinking of the Trump-Mika exchange in the comment about feminism, but about family members who are navigating this Title 9 world. Among Hillary's objectionable traits was her continued appeal to empowering women: is she basically disdainful of men, and how does that affect very young boys, and girls, if they are raised in an atmosphere where public men are disgusting and public women place men on a second tier? Are gentlemen born or raised? It's in the parenting, you say? That goes only so far -- extremely important, but, frankly, frequently overwhelmed by the barrage of necessary outside influences, in school, coaches, media, culture, friends, employers.

Whatabboutery is no defense of anything, and Trump's behavior -- reflecting, as you say, his essential weakness (or lack of what Machiavelli would call virtu) -- is disgusting. But what about Bill Clinton? I was truly disgusted when, during his years in office, I read that "most women swoon over Bill Clinton's charm." Ugh. If Trump is disgusting for failing to keep his mouth zipped, what about Clinton? Why does he continue to get a pass? What has he done to redeem himself? How was his behavior more "presidential?"

Who was the last gentleman POTUS? Ford? Carter, who "lusted in his heart?"
More importantly, who is in the wings to be the next POTUS, and does he/she have gentlemanly - gentle womanly qualities? Ben Sasse comes to mind.

ked

The Prez is a Hollywood PR fantasist writ large. ALL attention is good attention. He knows not vector, only quantity. Beyond being ill mannered, he sees the attention he derives as endorsement - personal accomplishment of the highest order. All well & good if it's merely boorish personal behavior... however... let's consider his modality applied to making critical national security policy in a global emergency. We have a decider w/ a proclivity toward choosing a bigger splash (or crater) for its attention-getting scale over any alternative course.

I believe his personality defect is a potentially serious risk to our nation, and it has nothing to do with his ideology (or each of our own). I am a bit dismayed that many are blinded to this quite possibly tragic flaw by their own incapacity to step back from partisanship on merely political matters. It's a deal with the devil within Trump to retain & wield political power. I suppose the honest ones among his apologists are nihilists & endtimes fundamentalists. The rest are placing a bet they'll get out alive & on top. Now, that's good ol' morality for ya!

alba etie

OGP
Yes - and he has the nuclear codes ,,,

HawkOfMay

You are correct. The man should have a job to do yet what are the people in this thread talking about? You didn't spend your time talking about his policies. You didn't spend your time writing about his trade comments regarding South Korea. You didn't spend your time about the arms deal with Taiwan. You spent your time defending a boorish man who is ill suited to the office of the President. If President Trump didn't twitter storm with his easily bruised ego we all might be talking about something of actual import.


No one does more damage to President Trump than himself.

Cortes

One wonders about the commercial fallout from such crassness. I'm reminded of the "Ratner Effect":

(From Wikipedia):

Edit

Gerald Ratner was born in London and based his philosophy of business on his experiences as a boy in Petticoat Lane Market. He observed that "the people who shouted the loudest and appeared to give the best offers sold the most."[4]

Ratner joined the family business in 1966 and built up an extremely successful chain of jewellers during the 1980s, of which he was chief executive. The shops shocked the formerly staid jewellery industry by displaying fluorescent orange posters advertising cut price bargains and by offering low price ranges. The Ratners Group consisted of Ratners, H. Samuel, Ernest Jones, Leslie Davis, Watches of Switzerland and over 1000 shops in the US including Kays. Ratners was one of the few British retailers to succeed in the US.[citation needed]

The speech Edit
Although widely regarded as "tacky",[5] the shops and their wares were nevertheless extremely popular with the public, until Ratner made a speech addressing a conference of the Institute of Directors at the Royal Albert Hall on 23 April 1991.[6] During the speech, he commented:

“ We also do cut-glass sherry decanters complete with six glasses on a silver-plated tray that your butler can serve you drinks on, all for £4.95. People say, "How can you sell this for such a low price?", I say, "because it's total crap."[7] ”
He compounded this by going on to remark that one of the earrings were "cheaper than an M&S prawn sandwich but probably wouldn't last as long." Ratner's comments have become textbook examples of why chief executives should choose their words carefully. In the furore that ensued, customers exacted their revenge by staying away from Ratner shops. After the speech, the value of the Ratner group plummeted by around £500 million, which very nearly resulted in the firm's collapse.[8] Ratner hired a chairman in an attempt to stabilise the situation, but was subsequently fired by the new company leader in November 1992. The group then changed its name to Signet Group in September 1993.[1]

Today, Ratner's speech is still famous in the corporate world as an example of the value of branding and image over quality. Such gaffes are now sometimes called "doing a Ratner",[9] and Ratner himself has acquired the sobriquet "The Sultan of Bling".[10] Ratner has said in his defence that his remarks were not meant to be taken seriously. He also largely blamed the aggressiveness and deliberately wrongful interpretation of several media outlets for the severe consumer reaction.[1]

Cortes

Conscience demands that I draw attention to the famous retort of Winston Churchill:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/my-dear-you-are-ugly-but-tomorrow-i-shall-be-sober-and-you-will-still-be-ugly-winston-churchill-tops-8878622.html

mike

Colonel -

Did your father ever meet or serve with Edwin Ramsey of 26th Cav? I read Ramsey's book many years ago and recommend it to those of your blog readers who may be interested? I understand Hollywood is now coming out with a documentary film of his life - 'Never Surrender: The Ed Ramsey Story'

rakesh

I see that a lot of people trying to justify their vote for Trump as punishing Clinton for calling them deplorable. Are you one of the groups she described as deplorable -the racists and the misogynist if not than she did not deplore you or call you unredeemable . If you are then yes she did call you out .
Also is your Country's governance so trivial to you that your fragile ego would rather have a total incompetent running the country

rakesh

Since this deplorable line is so frequently bandied about in this blog it may be helpful to post this
"I know there are only 60 days left to make our case -- and don't get complacent, don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, well, he's done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different."

fanto

Colonel,
in thinking about the reverse situation, "a short hair dictionary" does not sound that witty for some reason.

Greco

There was a quote in the election that rings true (or at least it applies to me, for better or for worse). The quote goes, "Trump supporters take him seriously, but not literally. Trump's critics take him literally, but not seriously."

If we entertain ourselves enough to read between the lines, instead of taking Trump's words at face value alone, we can see that there is subtext.

For starters, he's calling Mika and Joe fake news. We know this because he points out she had a face lift (i.e., fake face) and that they pretended to be friendly with him back in December (i.e., they're fake with people). He's not only unflattering them, he's pointing out how fake they are. He's saying they're fake news in not so few words.

And the worst of Trump's comments was actually reserved for Joe. When Trump described Joe as psychotic, he was probably referring to the odd set of circumstances under which an intern was found dead in Joe's congressional office. Trump was implying Joe had something to do with the intern's death. I'm convinced that this is what Trump meant by "Psychotic Joe."

And maybe I'm reading a bit too much into these comments, but it's possible that Trump is threatening to blackmail them. Recall that Trump tweeted sometime back that once things calmed down he "would tell the real story" of Mika and Joe. Also, both Mika and Joe insinuated that Trump held enough clout at National Enquirer to squash an unfavorable story concerning Mika and Joe's secret romance. They themselves described Trump as blackmailing them. But I suspect that there's more to Trump's threat than some story that the National Enquirer was going to run with. Trump knows something about Mika and Joe, something crazy and psychotic, not just the story of how some intern died strangely in Joe's office.

Trump wasn't just taking cheap shots at them, I suspect he was making veiled threats against them. That he would divulge something disturbing about them, something that would prove Mika to be crazy and Joe, psychotic.

Bill H

I have Parkinson's Disease and move slowly. If my wife reaches a door before I do she waits for me to get there and open it for her. Why? Because she knows that I value doing it, and she appreciates that I do so.

Lemur

"This is not about chivalry. It is about common norms of decency by which people can live with each other without resorting to violence and brute strength. Many of you have been corrupted by the debased culture of 21st Century America.


Col, I respect your sense of social obligation, and the sort of civilized community to which it aspires. But the success of your moral sentiments require certain socio-political preconditions, which endured to an extent in your formative years, but have since been purposefully destroyed. These codes emerged from a sense of unity, born of common custom and origins, as Rousseau noted centuries ago. They depend upon an ethos that places honour above personal peace and prosperity.

Who brought upon this state of affairs? Who pushes the debased culture? What presides over the New York zeitgeist, in which Trump was matriculated? Who relentlessly assaulted the traditional norms which modulated the relations between the sexes, with their corresponding obligations and rights? The left and their degenerate anti-hierarchical value system, which extends to the domain of aesthetics. In their drive for 'equality', they've torn down everything worth conserving. Now these people are shocked their opponents no longer feel under an obligation to observe (conserve) standards of etiquette they've undermined for decades.

From the perspective of the younger generation, including myself, who have adopted positions against both the left and the 'bourgeois' right'; we are locked in an existential struggle against people who viscerally hate us ('deplorables'), who want to brainwash our kids with their beliefs, who never tire of vilifying our ancestors, who want to morally invert all that we hold dear, and who want to demographically replace us. Well, they can go to hell. I don't want to live with them. I don't want to live in a country where types like Mika and Maddow are accorded respect. The indecent deserve no decency. It's offensive to suffer the exploitation of virtue. This new politics is a war fought in the domain of memes, rhetoric, and ideas. And its a total war. The left chose to leave nothing off limits. They went after little old ladies who didn't want to deny their faith by baking cakes for homosexuals. Mika is part of that system. In a total war, if we place her 'femininity' (which she denies anyway) off limits, we're following a script at the end of which we invariably lose. No more. The priority of public politeness is superseded by more pressing concerns.

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