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12 June 2017

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Degringolade

A lot of what you speak of can be boiled down to "This shit sells".

It isn't even a new phenomenon.

take your example an American Icon, William Randolph Hearst

"Among Hearst’s employees was the famed illustrator Frederic Remington. In 1897, Remington became very bored by the lack of anything newsworthy in Cuba and cabled to Hearst, “Everything quiet. There is no trouble here. There will be no war. Wish to return.” In response to Remington’s message, Hearst reportedly replied, “Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”

brian weston

It would appear that in the USA the main stream media distort the truth to a great degree. The modus operandi appears to be simply negative propaganda.issue constant negative screams about the president and if some of the mud doesn't stick, so what, the damage has been done, the negative seed has been planted.
I understand that 80% of
The MSM is in the hands of corporations that are anti Trump. I believe that the main reason for this antagonist is that they see Trump as a direct threat to their interests and operations
Most sensible people seek the truth in most matters. Obviously if the truth is difficult to uncover then some won't go to great lengths to discover the real truth.
Surely, apart from the undercover internet sites there must be people and organisations in the USA who will stand up and be counted and actually publish an easy guide to all the disinformation that is issued about issues such as Russia.
Why doesn't anybody do this? Is EVERYONE also lily live red or corrupt. Isn't the state of the nation the most important issue for the USA to it's people?
BW

Babak Makkinejad

I think that the sabotage of the Litvinov mission by UK clearly indicated the existence of a group of influential Englishmen (likely with a Welsh or two thrown in for good measure) outside of the English government with sufficient influence to make sure that the only viable alternative to war was not pursued.

It is noteworthy that there was not a single individual in the sitting government of the time with whom this policy (of destroying Litvinov's initiative) could be identified.

Thomas

"Americans are just not willing to believe anything that upsets their already precarious world view."

Sorry Newbie, this is BS. It is why humans have private conversations and the usurping subversives riding the Borganisn are running the Info Ops at full speed ahead.

Thomas

kosshy,

You see it.

Thomas

"Why doesn't anybody do this?'

What the hell do you think has been happening here (SST) over the years?

A voice in the wilderness is growing into storm.

It has been an interesting journey watching it all unfold.

Fred

Keith,

"we need some intelligence work done on who is paying for all the hawkish propaganda that we read."

We need a great woman, like Jane Harmon of Newsweek/Dailybeast, to give us the scoop. Just don't ask why on earth she resigned from Congress.

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/our-people/jane-harman/

sid_finster

I don't see the Deep State as conspiracy so much as shared interests and groupthink.

Sylvia 1

Today in Bloomberg--all based on anonymous reports i.e. "three people with direct knowledge of US investigation into the matter". Does this mean the Special Counsel's office or Congress? I would think we will continue to see these leaks--Mueller has to justify the money he will spend as Special Counsel. Are we in for a repeat of the Kenneth Star/Bill and Hillary Clinton multiyear mash up? After looking at every check covering many decades, and running down every rabbit trail, Star ended up going after Clinton for lying about oral sex in a deposition.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

shepherd

Colonel Lang,

There's a name, I haven't heard, happily, in some time. Peter Dale Scott was a professor of a class I had the misfortune to take long ago, and easily one of the dumbest and most annoying human beings I've ever known.

I didn't realize he'd had a second life, so I give you my opinion without knowing what he's done since. You could make a complete and utter ass of him, and he never seemed to realize you were jerking him around. If he weren't so full of himself, I'd have felt sorry for him.

He was a very left-wing conspiracy theorist back then, god only knows now, but he'd fit right in with the crowd that thinks 9/11 was a hoax. And don't get me started on his "poetry." Just avoid it, and you'll thank yourself.

brian weston

To qualify further what I meant , I understood that Fox News was not in the Disinformation camp and possibly others?

The problem with channels such as Info Wars is hat they become discredited and ridiculed and trolled. Unfortunately since they are on the fringe many people will not take any notice of them.
What I am saying is that why doesn't a normal everyday newspaper for example champion the cause. It is not as if they would be fabricating anything....just simply telling the truth, yet all I see is this propaganda and bending of the truth coming from all sides.

Jack

Sam,

It is truly insane when a central bank creates "money" out of thin air and buys equity and debt of private entities. Taken to its logical conclusion, a central bank would own all businesses. Nationalization in another way?? I don't think they understand the long term implications. What would happen when politically well connected people float securities that get monetized by a central bank?

What does the price of a security mean?

Here's a look at what the SNB owns.

http://www.nasdaq.com/quotes/institutional-portfolio/swiss-national-bank-913041

Imagine

littlesis.org is a first pass at a relationships clearinghouse. FYI, YMMV.

mistah charley, ph.d.

Patrick Buchanan, in a column dated today, uses this terminology:

"That the objective of [Washington] is to bring Trump down via a deep state-media coup is no secret. Few deny it."

"The real criminal 'collusion' in Washington is between Big Media and the deep state, colluding to destroy a president they detest and to sink the policies they oppose."

"[Trump] should campaign against the real enemies of America First by promising to purge the deep state and flog its media collaborators."


http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/are-we-nearing-civil-war

turcopolier

mistah charley Ph. D.

I do not care what Patrick Buchanan or anyone else calls anything. Do you really think the "pitchfork man"'s utterances are or have ever been a standard for my discourse. Actually, the very fact that you want to attack me over this confirms my opinion that you are a troll. pl

turcopolier

sid_finster

Your definition of Deep State is incoherent. What are the shared interests among civil servants, academics, the media, etc.? pl

BillWade

I agree with you 100% and would also like to see a major network news show with just news and not spin that also has reporters who question the "facts" the government hands out to them. I'd also like to see a law that makes it a felony to publish "facts" from "reliable", "unnamed","anonymous", "trustworthy" or the like sources.

mistah charley, ph.d.

Col Lang -

I am sorry that quoting a well-known person. who uses terminology in a way you do not prefer, is construed by you as an attack. I will not attempt to post here again.

b

I investigated the "Sarin" claim in khan Sheikhun at that time.

The result:
Chlorine, Not Sarin, Was Used In The Khan Sheikhun Incident
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/04/only-chlorine-not-sarin-involved-in-the-khan-sheikhun-incident.html

Lots of sources linked in there.

I have since seen nothing that would debunk it.

Heros

Outside of the US bubble it is clear that the deep state is not a US phenomenon, but a global one. That is the purpose of Bilderberg, Davos, etc. The fact that the global elites act in complete harmony is proof that either the global borg are being dictated to from Washington, or Washington and the elites of the western world are being dictated to by an even more powerful force. To me MH17 is the proof that the "borg" are a global power, not just US based. Any member of the EU could have vetoed the sanctions against Russia imposed by the the EU, yet none did. Not Poland, not Bulgaria, not even Greece. All these countries suffered far, far more than the US from these sanctions, yet they went along with it and still do. Why? Because Washington dictates to them? I think not.

Another example is Norway having special forces in al Tanf. Why? Because Washington commanded them? I think not. It was someone else, some international force.

The global media instantly picks up US memes and propagates them so fast it cannot have been unplanned.

And what of the international banks and the control of finance. This is not a consensus out of Washington.

turcopolier

mistah charly ph.D

Good. your intent was clear. pl

VietnamVet

Colonel & PT,

Clearly, I am not a member of the Borg or the Deep State. All I know is second hand. There has been a change in government and companies in the last fifty years. Government switched from regulating industry to facilitating corporations and their offshoring of jobs and wealth. The company my Dad worked for changed from a Seattle based airplane manufacturer to a Chicago based Multi-National. Boeing spent billions to open a second 787 production line in South Carolina in order to bust Washington State unions and now is setting up its first overseas factory in China. “American exceptionalism” is last century. Today it is the New Corporate World Order (Globalism) verses democracy and the remains of sovereign western governments that once were by and for the little people.

lucopter

Pat,

Why the strong objection to the term Deep State? Who cares what its called. The effects of this entity on the direction of things is still the same.

I learned the term Deep State on Steve Sailor's blog last year and have found it very fitting to our current situation. Sailor's view is that we are currently going through a byzantine phase where a small but a powerful group of elites within the Government/Media/Business apparatus have colluded together to change the direction of the policies of the United States against the wishes of the American people, without the latter knowing that a coordinated effort against them even exist. It is the anti-populism feature combined with the shadowy characteristic of this elitist group that makes the term Deep State more fitting.

I personally don't think the term Deep State sufficiently explains the state of things. All other terms that I can come up with are none PC, so I am left with Deep State.

Keith Harbaugh

So, all the Trump-haters are screaming at the top of their lungs:

“The Russians interfered in our (U.S.) elections, and political process.
Further, Putin’s forces are interfering in elections all across the West.
This is a threat to democracy.”

According to Dick Cheney, some even claim it could be considered an act of war.

My question, which some who read and comment on SST may know the answer to, is:

Precisely to what extent has the U.S. government and various U.S. organizations
tried to influence the Russian political process?

In an interview, Putin asserted that the U.S. has and does interfere in Russian politics.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/putin-dismisses-claims-russia-interfered-u-s-election/

“Put your finger anywhere on a map of the world, and everywhere you will hear complaints that American officials are interfering in internal electoral processes,” he said.

So the whole issue is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Is Putin right? (I would bet that he is.)
Is this a case of total U.S. hypocrisy?

I tried to google that question, without much success.
Anyone at SST able to answer that question?
(References and sanitized information accepted.)

anon

colonel saunders founder of deep fried chicken is less known for being a member of the kentucky deep state,otherwise known as the Order of Peck.pitted against the "peckers" as they are sometimes known are the "commie bum boys" belonging to the Order of Put In.
It is rumoured that a certain gregory had crossed the line and was a member of both the peckers and commie bum boys.

true patriotic americans have there peckers cut out for them in exposing the commie bum boys for the spreading of all sorts of political disinfo including the rumour that jeff has sometimes crossed the line himself.for a little johnny cash

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