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24 May 2017


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pardon my ignorance, but i am very familyar with all the groups you mentioned other than the "The "demonic forces" people (me) have ours."

the quote make me assume you are not being literal in the sense that you blame the devil or satan, would you mind pointing me towards what ever this position is?


A Sunni NATO? Oh dear...one can't help but feel a certain foreboding, like there's a Waterloo (Wadi-loo?) in someone's future.

It seems the Status Quo is nothing to 'quo' about!



Whichever Paul your are, IMO mankind is driven by dark forces of a self destructive nature. Its a Nietzsche thing, you need not worry over it. pl


Touché! LOL ;)


The cause of human suffering, as explained in Buddhist terms, is greed, anger and ignorance

"Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil." - Plato

Bill Herschel

I think you have to include misogynists. I'm completely serious.

Excerpts from Mohamed Atta's instructions for his burial:

"I don't want a pregnant woman or a person who is not clean to come and say good-bye to me because I don't approve it.

I don't want women to come to my house to apologize for my death.

The person who will wash my body near my genitals must wear gloves on his hands so he won't touch my genitals.

I don't want any women to go to my grave at all during my funeral or on any occasion thereafter."

This is a diseased mind talking.

I think that misogyny is a thread running through all strict ME religions including strict Roman Catholicism and strict Judaism. I wonder if it is easier to bomb the World Trade Center or a nearly all girl crowd at a Manchester theater if you're a misogynist. And then there's the fact that the three "dictators" that the "West" has gone to a lot of trouble to wipe out had societies in which women were treated well, Hussein, Assad, Gaddafi.

And then there's good old Saudi Arabia, the original feminist paradise. What an irony that the Democratic Party should embrace the Saudi's.

Let us see where Macron falls in this area. A case can be made both for and against Macron's being a misogynist. Will Mme. Macron permit her husband to fawn on misogynists? I will be very interested to see. Certainly, May has no trouble with it, nor does Clinton, a woman married to a four-square misogynist.

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Shia arc it is then and with Russian (& I expect Chinese) backing to boot. I'd suggest whoever heads ME strategy among the neocons/ziocons etc. should be up for early retirement.

Guess we can start preparing ourselves for Borg plan B; Sunni insurgency 3.0 - now with even better weapons and funding.


"The US... blew the last 15 years in the Islamic World..."

In broad strokes, what would have been a better course for the last 15 years?


"Iraq, Russia, Syria and Iran are now proclaimed to be allies by the Iraqi Interior Minister."

I would add that Egypt is just one step to join that coalition. Sissi speech during Trump's visit in Saudi Arabia is eloquent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vFhE1AFIuk

It's clear that he is not happy with what happened to Mubarak, a close US ally for many years, to be replaced by a MB leader. Many signs show that Egypt is making a political U-turn. So if Egypt joins Iraq, Russia, Syria and Iran in the fight against terrorism, it's going to be a tectonic shift in the ME.



If I had been emperor of the world after 9/11 I would not have attempted regime change anywhere. Nor would I have done nation building beyond what we would have done in USAID normally, and that is a lot but non-invasive politically. Beyond those policies I would have worked with the existing governments to exterminate jihadis. They were all anti-jihadi including the Iraqis and Iranians. the rubbish about Iran being "the world's greatest sponsor of terrorism" is Israeli propaganda. pl


Oh, the US will make the Iraqis walk it back.
Meanwhile: https://www.wsj.com/articles/manchester-bomber-fought-in-libya-1495662073


Possibly a (Wahhabi-loo)?


I once worked with an Iranian emigre in America, he and his family left just before Khomeini returned from Paris. He said that educated Iranians believed that Khomeini received CIA protection in Paris and that the 1979 revolution was orchestrated by Israel and friends of Israel to destroy the emergence of a major Arab country that had both oil, a modern economy, and a large population.


Idealism is the noble toga that political gentlemen drape over their will to power. -- Aldous Huxley

Power always sincerely, conscientiously, de très bon foi, believes itself right. Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak.
-- John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson (2 February 1816).

The intoxication with power is worse than drunkenness with liquor and such, for he who is drunk with power does not come to his senses before he falls. – Mahābhārata 5(51)34:52


In many way's , egl's question was just a "time suck",

It's been used as a troll tactic for years.

At the time, you wrote about what was happening, how it was "wrongfooted" and would probably fail.

It's now about what's happening now, not some alt history pundit blathering, there is mo Game Noy reset or multiple lives feature with history.

BTW, thanks again to you and the Anthenum for continuing to write and publish.

David E. Solomon

Thank You Colonel,

You are one of the only people willing to take on the Israelis.

Israel and AIPAC have poisoned the political discourse in this country for years. Why must we always be subservient to their interests?




Alas we don't get to live in that alternative future.

Libertarians/Non-intervionists come in many flavors. But all understand one simple concept. Call it blowback, or karma, or just consequence, we care for our children and theirs and not let them suffer the long tail of payback while our decision makers seems to work with painfully short time horizons.

Why do countries eagerly join bombing coalitions? Did Britain or France not compute that there will be some aggrieved party and resultant blowback? Or could it be that these horrible incidents are well within the expected collateral damage modeled by armchair warriors? One can imagine that policy makers were mentally preparing for orders or magnitude greater damage during the Cuban Missile crisis and the height of the Cold war. So while they may exhibit great public outrage, terror incidents like those at Manchester barely perturb them or provoke any introspection. I say make these assumptions and models public. Tell it like it is, that this is the new normal, and let's dial down the outrage.

After vilifying Islam with a broad brush and creating a hostile environment during the campaign, Trump has executed a U-turn for $110B. That is what it cost to forget 9/11. He got collared, and he bowed and wowed his new masters with his act of submission. The election did not matter, for we're firmly back in the same mistaken course.

Radical Islam cannot be turned on and off like a tap. The returns on playing with it, fostering it and regimes which nurture it are diminishing rapidly. We may have already crossed a tipping point where radical Islam causes us more damage than any adversary we may target with it.

Now, it looks more and more like the Sunnistan dreamed up by the Gulfies is going up in smoke. But the Gulfies will end up with a Sunni-NATO, and we'll get to sell more insecurity and arms.


I've meant to ask this for quite some time, and maybe now is the time, based on the latest developments.

Has anybdy read the march report by the neocon Kimberly Kagan-lead Institute for the Study of War named "America's way ahead in Syria"?

If so, what do you think? Is it a sound or even somewhat accurate analysis? Are the suggestions contained in the report something that the US administration might consider following. Or is it already doing so? How the present news change the chances of making the ISW plan work?

The report can be found here (together with a summary of its content): http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/americas-way-ahead-syria


"the rubbish about Iran being "the world's greatest sponsor of terrorism" is Israeli propaganda"

The US propaganda machine is clearly under the same grip as this "Israeli propaganda" machine because it plays exactly the same orchestrated tune in perfect synchronicity, as does the entire western world's media. This fact alone, focused under the lens of "Qui Bono", would seem to tilt the evidence in favor of "The Zionist conspiracy fans" although that certainly doesn't preclude the Zionists from being part of deeper "demonic forces".

When one looks at Trump's cabinet's composition there is little doubt about Zionists being exponentially overrepresented. In fact, they are so over represented that were it to be "demonic forces" actually running the show, then the majority of these "demonic forces" would also have to be Zionists.


Shia arc it is then and with Russian (& I expect Chinese) backing to boot. I'd suggest whoever heads ME strategy among the neocons/ziocons etc. should be up for early retirement.

let me start at the end. Fire them all? And then?

Concerning the start: "it is then"?

Where exactly are you heading mentally? Put another way what do you mean?


Ah yes, the 'rationalists' weigh in via Plato.


there were earlier rumors around Egypt.

Did anyone around her follow it. Maybe b followed it?

From the little I know from Pat's blog, it may make sense.



My prescription is largely what we had done all through my adult life. The train ran off the tracks with the accession to power of the neocon/ziocons in the Bush '43 Administration and the opportunities presented by 9/11 but they were intent on destroying the Iraqi government from the time Bush took office (see my article "Drinking the Koolaid"). Their motivation for this was desire to set off a wave of social and political revolutions that would make the pond safe for the Israeli fishes. This idea came to permeate the USG and resulted in the end in the disastrous fantasies created by the "Arab Spring." IMO 9/11 itself was triggered by intervention in Iraq and the train of bed judgments that led to a wide spread revolt against Western occupation. This brought the jihadis into a prominent role and has led to a long series of wars for which an end cannot be foreseen. IMO Sunni jihadism follows a 100 year or so sine curve in which the possibility of messianic war against the kuffar arises after the memory of defeat dies out. This has been the pattern for the last 5 or 6 hundred years. pl

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