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11 April 2017

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confusedponderer

mauisurfer
"Bush 2 was very unpopular in the first 9 months of his presidency ... he was incompetent and uninformed and not curious to learn anything - and he bragged that he was "the decider"

Ah. That's probably all true if put a bit too light. IMO you really should have gotten more complete to do Bush 2 the justice for what he said and did. He deserves that.

I propose to give honour to those who act honourably, and to give disgrace and mockery to those who truly deserve it.

Here are two marvellous bits that Bush 2 said:

(*) Bush 2 said on November 17, 2002 in an interview this:

'I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.'

Indeed, cruise missiles speak for themselves ...

(*) Bush 2, speaking at the Pentagon, on 19.8.2004:

'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.'

Ah, 'neither do you'?

Judging by success, Bush 2 has been doing just a heckuva job.

Yeah, Right

"Is there any comparable time in history where the Leading world power has behaved so hypocritically and amorally?"

I believe the phrase you need to look up is "perfidious albion".

Ain't nothing the Americans can teach the good ol' Foreign Office.

Peter AU

"The only thing I can not explain is how the actual Sarin Gas attack was initiated almost exactly the same time as the attack."

Is there any video/photos of the victims at or near the site where the small crater is shown in the road? That is allegedly the place were the chemical munition hit.

All I have seen is video of people that look like they have been gassed in a quarry.

Marko

Tweets like this one suggests the rebels had some advance knowledge :
https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/849240804556242944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.almasdarnews.com%2Farticle%2Fjumping-conclusions-something-not-adding-idlib-chemical-weapons-attack%2F

I think the rebels may have known with some detail about what targets the Syrian jets would bomb and when. The U.S. would have received information about this because of the deconflict agreement they had with Russia , and then could have alerted the rebels. Also , any number of the anti-Assad states' intel agencies might have also picked up transmissions , etc., and then passed the info to the rebels. It's important to consider the possibility that high-powered state assets were involved in this - it was a big operation that they all wanted to succeed.

LeaNder

Not only the two rebel controlled premises that surface a lot lately, but (from the top of my head) what about the Syrian Army deserters, the Free Syrian Army. Who were they, where were they stationed, what were their jobs? ... Concerning some of the scenarios above. How many double, triple, quadruple agents or servants to whoever's interest are around?

Beyond that, a nugget for b, could it be that reality politics dictate that Assad has to go, since some German firms were involved in a little help creating the Syrian program to start with? Now that the issue gets hotter and hotter? Better handle it with a little distraction for the multitude of us? Looks like it anyway, or did I stumble across fake news, not quite concentrated yesterday?

Hope? ... Change? Making America Great Again? ... we'll see.

Harry

"Also, the Defense Secretary said that he did not see the situation with Russia spiraling out of control as it was not in their interest to do so."

I wonder in whose interests was the first or second world War?

Degringolade

Please don't forget the Byzantine empire

Babak Makkinejad

England.

William R. Cumming

Interesting post and thread IMO!

We all have blind spots and are captive to some degree with our personal experience.

Here is another take that may well be defective but I put forth! Most of these ideas are not new to my posting on this blog.

1. Few U.S. Flag Ranks are actually expert on nuclear weapon effects and targeting. Perhaps the best open source writing ever was by Retired 4-star Lee Butler and his analysis of defects in the SIOP.

2. Nuclear weapons are NOT military weapons. To use a nuke is to become a pariah nation IMO.

3. The leading user in actual warfare of chemical weapons is the U.S. [Agent orange?]

4. I have had many American friends whose background was the Christian/Arab world of the Middle East. {Are not most of the Lebanese in this country Christian?].

5. If we had trained 50K Americans in Arab, Farsi, Court Persian, Urdu, Turku
and other languages after 9/11 what would have been the impact?

6. Is not the activities of Russia since 1991 proof that that nation is inextricably tied to the WEST not Asia?

7. Who controls the Russian economy and for what purposes?

8. Many have argued for a long time that the U.S. State department was under the control of Big Oil? Was it and is it?

9. What will be the lasting impacts of the Trump Presidential win? IMO no evidence the Swamp will be drained!

10. The Law of In-Intended Consequences has long rule Washington D.C. power circles will it continue to do so? Reminder THE POWER ELIT [1955] STILL OF VALUE IMO!

AND FINALLY NATURAL RESOURCES AND CLIMATE MAY WELL DETERMINE WINNERS AND LOSERS AND BE OUTCOME DETERMATIVE IN THE NEXT CENTURY EVEN IF NOT IN THIS ONE.

William R. Cumming

One review from Amazon of the POWER ELITE:

What is strikingly apparent even though this book was published in 1956, is that many of the factual bases of it and its observations are seen today, in 2006. And, the current power-structure will continue to operate this way. It is increasing, and will continue to do so. This is where democracies often lead.

There are a few thousand people in the United States that control almost all aspects of society. These few thousand individuals, hold leadership posts in the political, military, and economic spheres. An extremely high percentage of these individuals were educated in the same schools, come from upper-class families, belong to the same public clubs, and often the same secret societies. The members of this ruling group hold the same interests and values. And this group, self-selects the majority of its members. This is why there won't be change in the values and course of direction of the United States. One of the biggest myths of American society is that the middle class has influence on which direction and course, our society takes. The American middle class does not have interests or values in common with the Power Elites that control and run US society.

Because of these differences, who benefits?

The shift from the land-owning elites to the Oligarchic Corporate Rich began in earnest after the American Civil War.

Today, the foundations of the "3 tiers of control" that form the current oligarchic power structure of the United States has been long in the making, be it by intentional design, convenience, and/or by coincidence. (The first is the most intentional and influential.)

HOW THIS BOOK APPLIES TO TODAY:

First, applying a concept of 1956 into to the present year of 2006: The power nuance and enmeshment of and within, the political, military, and economic world. There are thousands of examples. Here are a contemporary few:

Colin Powell, occupying the upper echelon of the military world. Achieving the post of Joint-Chiefs of staff, retiring from the military world and moving directly into the political world, as Secretary of State. Not born into the club, but by his work, intellect, and skills, selected into the club, as Cheney.

Dick Cheney went from political (Congress, advisor, Sec. of Defense) to the Corporate (Halliburton CEO) and then back to the political (Vice President) echelon.

It was Charles Wilson, the President of GM that famously said, "What's good for the country is good for General Motors, and vice versa," He later became the Secretary of Department of Defense.

MEDIA and the MASSES:

Intriguing yet disturbing is the author's description of what he defines as the "Masses." The Masses (population) receive their information and form opinions by what the Elites of society present to them through the conglomerate media. Instead of forming their own opinions, the Masses believe, and regurgitate what the conglomerate media run by the Elites, feed them. The Masses are merely spectators of which about 50% vote occasionally. They don't even make decisions.

The Iraq war is an example of "Mass thinking," and one can see it in American media, as well as from ordinary Americans that copy-cat and parrot the media's slogans about the recent petro-dollar oil bourse campaign. Independent thought does not exist for the masses. The Iraq campaign was started and controlled by unelected bureaucrats.

Speeches and writings by General Douglas McArthur and Dwight D. Eisenhower decades ago, echo the sentiments in this book in an eery way.

The Power Elite in the US isn't necessarily different from other contemporary societies today, and throughout history. But by being aware of it, people can choose to live for themselves and form their own opinions, even though they cannot change society's course.

Fred

Ivan,

You mean CJCS told him the truth and he knew he couldn't get congressional approval for a war based on the first false-flag attack?

Fred

b,

The other question is what will prevent anyone from trying at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

ISL

Marko, very good point. That could explain why Russia decided not to deconflict anymore.

Freudenschade

Who are the neocons with whom he has surrounded himself? When you're hunting the white whale of the borg, every wave that hits the hull of the SS Committee of Correspondence somehow turns into a neocon.

pmr9

Kunuri and Peter AU

As you note, there are no images of the victims being rescued in their homes, or near the attack site. Work is still going on, at the ACloserLookOnSyria wiki and elsewhere, to try to arrange the videos by time and place and to identify continuity errors. Early findings suggest that the videos showing bodies being hosed down in the quarry / cave complex were recorded before 4 April. but this is not yet definite. There is also evidence of victim recycling: same victims in different locations, as there was in Ghouta.

Kunuri: if you have video production skills, your expertise in analysing the videos would be most welcome. Playlists have been prepared.

Mikey

Worth reading this article from 2012 before the propaganda war became established. Has public opinion there changed? Not in my estimation. It has likely increased.

Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

And from 2014: Syrian election shows depth of popular support for Assad, even among Sunni majority

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/04/syrian-election-shows-depth-popular-support-for-assad-even-among-sunni-majority.html

Brunswick

Fred,

Why would any external player try?

Bush43 did more damage to the US, militarially, politically and economically, than any US Foreign Enemy, since the War of 1812.

Trump45's gonna make the wounds from Bush43 look trivial.

sid_finster

I suspect that, even if it gives up Syria, Russia is merely playing for time.

Russian people know history well, and they know that, no matter what he said, Hitler would never be satisfied with "just" the Rhine or "just" the Sudetenland.

FWIW, the Germans also justified their annexations with lurid tales of atrocities that nobody, not even they, believed.

sid_finster

"Has Trump ever read a book?"

Fixed that for you.

sid_finster

But supplying Saudis with banned cluster munitions is just peachy.

fanto

Chinese state TV the CGTN is laying out the FOUR changes in the US politics within last 2 weeks, it was on Tian Wei show "World Insight". Unfortunately I am unable to find the link to that show. It seems to me that China is viewing USG as quite unstable and that is why President Xi made a phone call to Pres. Trump earlier today. I look at the whole world mess as quite similar in some ways to the years 1938-39 with diplomats scurrying around.

Thomas

"Is there any comparable time in history where the Leading world power has behaved so hypocritically and amorally?"

Napoleon's France. By 1810 Tzar Alexander realized there was no useful way of dealing with him so he slow walked political action as he prepared for war. Caulaincourt tried to talk sense to Napoleon about taking on Russia, but could do no good in changing his mind. Though in fairness to Napoleon, he understood that if one major country broke his yoke others would follow.

This is why the current elite consensus that Russia will back down will be proven oh so effin' wrong.

trinlae

Press conference Tillerson - Lavarov:
1:55 pm EST - 12 April 2017

https://youtu.be/-El3F_1xDz8

Fred

Adamski,

"Who will/can trust US ever again?"

11,000,000+ people here illegally.

John_Frank

fyi Declassified U.S. Report on Chemical Weapons Attack
The White House released a declassified four-page report that details United States intelligence on the chemical weapons attack, asserting that the Syrian and Russian governments have sought to confuse the world community about the assault through disinformation and “false narratives.”
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/11/world/middleeast/document-Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.html

(The headline and link is from the New York Times)

People can read the document in a PDF at this link:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3553049/Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.pdf

Related background briefing:

Background Press Briefing on Syria, 4/11/2017
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/11/background-press-briefing-syria-4112017

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