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07 April 2017

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Mikey

This should help clarify the terminology:

What we are talking about when we talk about “Binary Sarin”

http://strongpointsecurity.co.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/What-we-are-talking-about-when-we-talk-about-binaries1.pdf

Jackrabbit

What is your opinion of direct democracy (like Pirate Party) as a means of breaking the borg-infested duopoly's grip on power?

(apologies for the off-topic discussion)

AK

Babak,

All of these are wise and salient considerations, but given the track record of the people in now in power, what indicates to you that they would pay any attention whatsoever to such "trivial details"? It seems that for these people, victory is defined as the start of yet another war. The bigger the better. An end to the war is not something to be considered or even desired.

John_Frank

For those interested, a number of items:

1. The UN press report on yesterday's UN SC meeting to discuss the situation in Syria. Chemical attack, if confirmed, would be largest in Syria, UN Security Council told http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=56504#.WOZqArjDuzk

2. For those who wish to watch the full event, the UN has posted the video of yesterday's UN SC meeting http://webtv.un.org/watch/the-situation-in-the-middle-east-syria-security-council-7915th-meeting/5386184129001

3. Yesterday, Russian FM spokesperson Maria Zakharova held her weekly press briefing. The Ministry has started the process of transcribing her remarks into English. What has been posted so far covers a number of matters, including the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg, Russia and developments in Syria. http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2717014

4. Four reports from the Straits Times (Singapore). Do not live there, just a website I monitor. In the order of publishing time:

AFP/Reuters - Initial probe suggests Syria attack victims exposed to sarin: Turkey http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/autopsy-results-show-chemical-weapons-used-in-syrian-attack-turkish-minister

AFP/Reuters - Syrian govt says any inquiry into gas attack must not be politicised http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/syrian-govt-says-any-inquiry-into-gas-attack-mustnt-be-politicised-moscow-says-us

AFP - Syria 'chemical' attack: What we know http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/syria-chemical-attack-what-we-know

AFP - Syria foreign minister confirms airstrike on rebel depot containing chemical weapons http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/syria-foreign-minister-confirms-airstrike-on-rebel-depot-containing-chemical

pmr9

ToivoS

This material is summarized, with links to other sources that corroborate it, on this page

http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:British_involvement_in_Syria

Hersh expanded on his original article in three interviews: one with DemocracyNow, one with the Turkish news portal Diken, and one with Telesur.

There is corroboration for almost all the key points in his story, except that the role of Porton Down's scientists has been played down, probably to protect them.

Norbert M Salamon

INMO Mr. Putin can not back down in Syria, for such would be a sign of weakness, and the Russian oligarch/ fifth columnists would attack him and the political stability of Russia might be upset.
As Mr. Putin is a nationalist without empire ambitions, he will not chance the above scenario.

ex-PFC Chuck

Hersh: "Whose Sarin?"
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin

Clonal Antibody

I also came across this - Evidence Calls Western Narrative About Syrian Chemical Attack Into Question

the evidence indicates that the intended target was not immediately in a civilian area and was in fact a location where Syrian White Helmets were on the scene with rebel groups at what observers have claimed was a storage facility for conventional and chemical munitions. Additionally, evidence indicates that rebel groups may have had prior knowledge of the attack and knew that there was a risk of chemical weapons being unleashed. The attack also came in the aftermath of a trip by Senator John McCain to meet with groups known to associate with radical jihadist factions in Syria . . . I. Evidence From Khan Sheikhoun Does Not Support Assertions Of Airborne Chemical Weapons Use

Observers further noted that on April 1st, 2017, a doctor on the ground in Khan Sheikhoun, Dr. Shajul Islam, had received several shipments of gas masks in the days running up to the chemical incident.
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Additionally, footage from the scene of the incident taken by the Syrian White Helmets appears to show that their operatives were not assisting victims in a manner that was consistent with established protocol on how to handle sarin saturated bodies

II. Rebels Are Known To Have Possessed And Used Chemical Weapons In Syria For Some Time

While the Syrian government surrendered their chemical arms stockpiles for destruction several years ago, evidence indicates that rebel groups in Syria have ramped up their own supplies of the deadly weapons systems and have not hesitated to deploy them in combat. On June 23rd, 2014, The Wall Street Journal reported that the Syrian government had completed the removal of all chemical weapons from the country per and agreement they had reached with the United States. The handover was confirmed by the United Nations Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. While the Syrian government have surrendered their chemical weapons, rebel groups have acquired and used them in increasing numbers.

III. The Khan Sheikhoun Incident May Be Part Of An Ongoing Power Struggle Over U.S. Policy In Syria

The chemical attack also appears to play into the ongoing power struggle between the American political establishment and members of the new Trump administration. Political figures who are hawkish towards the Syrian government have noted with some dismay that President Trump had until this week been apparently unwilling to prosecute the United States’ stated goal of enacting regime change in Syria, citing the larger threat of ISIS and other jihadist terror groups as a priority.

The United States politicians who have taken funds from countries known to supply rebel groups with materials for the production of chemical weapons were also been meeting with rebel factions known to association with jihadist groups in the run up to the attack. On February 22nd, 2017, CNN reported that McCain had made a secret trip to northern Syria the week prior. McCain’s made the trip despite the fact that since late 2015, the Western media has finally admitted that there were no longer any “moderate” rebel groups in Syria.

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Lefty,

Since a President needs to absorb and process and retain a lot of concentrated information and analysis to be able to do his best thinking about things and stuff, and somewhats what to DO about things and stuff; a deep disinclination OR a deep inability to read would render him information deprived in situations when being information supplied would make him more helpful and less harmful.

If he has trusted people reading these threads and they privately know that he has an undisclosed reading-rejection problem or illiteracy problem, hopefully they will set up systems and get him to agree with those systems to have people read long dense difficult material to him and make sure he understands it.

If he can't or won't read SST for example, he should have people read it to him . . . every post and then every comment. As it is, I see a risk of his getting Clintified and accepting the Clinton Imperative that "Assad must go."

Thomas

"The question is, will China and Russia risk a major global conflict and militarily oppose the US/EU/Israel march to regime change in Syria? I doubt. They will back down and sacrifice Assad & Iran."

I disagree. They know what is going on with Syria and George Soros' White Helmet helpers, if Trump bows to the Borganism, then they will understand no course correction is possible so the fight will be on.

Babak Makkinejad

I assumed that those decision makers have a moderate level of intelligence as well as certain amount of devotion to the well-being of the United States.

Babak Makkinejad

Thank you for your comments which I found educational.

You won't get any argument out of me in regards to clearing these sorts of semantic confusions; in fact, on several occasions on this forum I quoted the Sage in support of the Rectification of Names.

John_Frank

Six additional bits that people may find of value:

Syria's 'moderate rebels' to form a new alliance
US funding for rebel groups in northern Syria has been partially restored, opposition sources tell Al Jazeera.
http://aje.io/t4g4

The report by Mariya Petkova was originally published on April 3 https://twitter.com/mkpetkova/status/848955870549614593 (A scan of her twitter feed suggests her bias is towards the Syrian opposition.)

A series of tweets by Elijah J. Magnier‏ on April 5 after he interviewed the UK FM Boris Johnson at the Brussels conference on Syria concerning European intentions for north eastern Syria. https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/849637569558192129 As always his twitter feed is useful.

An analysis by Mr. Magnier from late yesterday:

Did Assad use chemical weapons on Khan Shaikhoun to score an own goal in the international arena? https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2017/04/06/did-assad-use-chemical-weapons-on-khan-shaikhoun-to-score-an-own-goal-in-the-international-arena/

Photo is released by rebels indicating location of the "chemical bombing":A Civil defence" vehicle hiding inside man-made whole in mountain!
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/850040765820657669

AFP reports - #BREAKING Turkey slams Russian backing of Syrian regime as 'utterly wrong' https://twitter.com/AFP/status/850010911972741120

Of course, and as Mr. Magnier observed:

#Russia stopped #Turkey & its #Syrian proxies from attacking #Kurds who liberated territories from #ISIS v @MFS001
https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/850035150255796224

Haaretz reports - Putin rebukes Netanyahu over 'groundless accusations' on Syria chemical attack https://twitter.com/ChemiShalev/status/849989868126187520

Lefty

We agree on the risk. I think Col. Lang has it right, staff at the NSC and Borgists all around discount Russian resolve and are itching for a fight. Syria is a likely site and a phony gas attack an excuse. My highest hope for Trump was that he would avoid that. This week those hopes are fading, and I, like you, fear we will get much what we would have gotten with Clinton.

But as when flying, you haven't actually crashed until you hit something, so there's still time to change course. It won't be easy with the current levels of hysteria.

DH

I hope that's the overarching logic, and not continual low grade war for the sake of keeping the ME/Russia/China off-balance.

anon

in my humble opinion russia,s flotilla on the med was a trap set by so called obama inaction to lure russian naval forces to the coast.they are now being held hostage by superior anti missile technology.they are the sitting ducks.assads end game has arrived.the skipping stones are headed for the coast

Walrus

Indications are that a coalition of the willing is going to invade Syria from Iraq.

Chris Chuba

Being that it would take time to overrun the Idlib province and even then Al Qaeda could stage another attack, I wonder if the Russians have some sort of quick strike force that could immediately seize control of the next Ghouta. They need to be able to preserve the forensics and make them available to the UN ASAP before the White Helmets get done changing all of the evidence.

Since Al Qaeda had brilliant success here, why wouldn't they follow it up with another chemical attack. The western MSM/Borg would bleat that Assad didn't learn his lesson because we were too nice and demand that we strike all of his airfields.

It may seem impractical to seize areas in rebel heartland and maybe it is but this last attack was in the outskirts and not a big city. I guess Al Qaeda didn't want to poison their best places.

turcopolier

Chris Chuba

Yes. Yes. You have to get moving and make it happen or it will happen TO YOU. I am amazed at what passive, easily screwed people a lot of you are. pl

fanto

all,
history if modern chemical - gas warfare:
Description of modern gas warfare: the english and german Wikipedia do not include the name of the scientist who invented it for the use in World War One. It was Fritz Haber, who received Nobel Prize for chemistry for 1918. His co-workers, according to the german Wiki were also the inventors of Zyklon B. His involvement is described in the third link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_warfare
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemische_Waffe
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber

DH

It's possible he's in the same position as Obama right after first elected. Ostensibly, he wanted to draw down in Afghanistan, but had his arm pinned behind his back and was forced into COIN. Trump may consider out-foxing the Borg a feather in his cap.

Babak Makkinejad

I think there also exists the possibility of war between Turkey and Iran over Syria and Iraq.

Such a war could leave Turkey a smaller country - probably by 20%, territory lost on the East to Kurds with the subsequent mutual expulsions of Kurds and Turks en mass from the respective territories.

I think Iranian leaders have bent backwards and forwards to try to get the Turkish leaders to "climb down from the Satan's Ass" to no avail.

But I also do not think that their forbearance can be counted on indefinitely.


different clue

Tel,

Well, no . . . but you can fight fighters with a gun. And if the R + 6 are able to physically reconquer and re-occupy Idlib and exterminate all traces of rebel life from every square foot of re-occupied Idlib, then there will be no rebel scum left alive anywhere in Idlib to mount any more such false flag attacks.

If every rebel and rebel-supporter can be killed in Idlib, and none left alive to hide or escape, then it won't matter so much who outside of Idlib is envious of this or that.

Bill Herschel

This is worth reading. Particularly given its source. Trump lacks any sort of legal authority or even legal precedent for attacking Syria.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/politics/military-force-presidential-power.html

Bill Herschel

This is all about the American Health Care Act. I know that sounds like I'm trivializing a horrific crisis, but the process is very important.

The people who are manipulating Trump, through Kushner, knew that he was incredibly weak and susceptible after the repeal of Obamacare failed and stayed failed. They knew they had him. How easy was it to stage the "chemical attack"? Just as easy as it was to destroy the airbase.

This was all very well thought out, and we have a stupid child manipulated by very smart people running the country. It's a very dangerous time.

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