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07 April 2017

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Hunsdon

Why would the President want to meet with John McCain, one of his fiercest and most outspoken (also delusional) critics?

Ghostship

Serge
I read that article and I saw this:

"To date, all of the nerve agents used in the Syrian conflict have been binary chemical warfare agents, so-named because they are mixed from several different components within a few days of use. "

From what I can make out, this demonstrates a considerable lack of knowledge on the part of the author of that article as binary agents are stored in the weapon and only mixed after the weapon is launched.

Would any of the committee care to comment?

LeaNder

Cee, no idea why this memory popped up. It's more then a decade ago I watched those vidoes. Obviously in English and not in Arabic.

They weren't medics really, but seemed rather well educated, expressing themselves in perfect English. My memory is weak. All I recall was this softness, low key, quietness, of their speech. Giving the impression of possessing some superior truth, maybe? On the surface contradicting the aggression of the 9/11 events. But somewhat accepting events as if some type of natural response, if I recall correctly. ...

Somewhat different to the self-thought ideologues, some of them converts, that later surfaced on German ground too.

What impression would the videos leave after all these years? A lot changed since then.

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Anyway, I am connecting two different things.

First my impression of those "soft-spoken" younger men. Who clearly were deeply rooted in an Islamist tradition, I do not really understand. Leave alone its history. But I sure was left with a strong impression that they somehow argued from earlier literature that influenced and inspired them.

Second, maybe around the time of the Arab spring here on SST there were references to a scholar. Maybe I should reread the larger context, e.g. Dr. Amatzia Baram's contributions about Egypt here. Or other articles at the time.

Anyway: At that point an Islamist scholar surfaced who Pat considered dangerous. Which yes, kept me from taking a closer look. After all, do I really want to study Arab history, culture, literature, Islam more thoroughly? Although, it occasionally crossed my mind, and I read a little. Anyway, concerning the specific scholar Pat warned about, I don't get further then Yusuf al-Qaradawi on fast checks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi#Controversy

trinlae

Here is Vijay Prashad's latest:

"Is Trump Going to Commit the Next Great American Catastrophe in Syria?
It'd be extremely foolhardy to take military action when the details of the recent horrific gas attack lack expert examination."

(Disclaimer: I am not a big fan of alternet, but VP knows ME very well w several books on the topic)

http://www.alternet.org/world/trump-going-commit-next-great-american-catastrophe-syria

turcopolier

LeaNder

I think you refer to the exchanges between "Yusuf," a Nasserist Egyptian journo and A. Baram, an emeritus professor of Arab history at Haifa U. specialized in Iraq. Yusuf was filled with a great and IMO naïve enthusiasm for the prospects of a brave new Egypt. Neither Baram nor I shared his naiveté. they eventually stopped writing on SST. Yusuf was dangerous only to his fellow Egyptians who somehow expected the impossible from their own countrymen. pl

turcopolier

Prem

Bannon's departure from the NSC staff working spaces and functions has nothing to do with Kushner. McMaster told the president that he did not want this man looking over his shoulder all the time. full stop as the Brits say. pl

turcopolier

ToivoS

I have direct access to witnesses of the event. pl

turcopolier

jackrabbit

In my experience the process begins with someone's deliberate evasion of the truth for political or policy reason and ends in mutual self-deception and groupthink. pl

LeaNder

thanks, Pat. For whatever reason, maybe due to a larger mental struggle at the time, it pops up again and again. I'll follow your hint.

Babak Makkinejad

Should the United States intervene in Syria, she should include contingency plans for war with the Russian Federation, almost certainly with Iran, and a wider war as it expands to include Turkey and Gulfies.

The leaders of the United States, at the same time, must articulate a positive vision of the future after the war as well as how victory is defined.

The allies of the United States in the Fortress West will oppose the war against Syria - it is inconceivable for me that France and UK would introduce troops into Syria to fight against Russia and Iran and their allies.

While China is powerless to stop a US war against Syria, she will offer no political cover. Even India would not support a US war against Syria.

US can still wage a war, likely lasting decades, but the questions remains: "What for?"

Clonal Antibody

Col. Lang,

I came across this today - Hillary Clinton Approved Delivering Libya’s Sarin Gas to Syrian Rebels: Seymour Hersh - Your comments would be appreciated.

The great investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, in two previous articles in the London Review of Books («Whose Sarin?» and «The Red Line and the Rat Line») has reported that the Obama Administration falsely blamed the government of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad for the sarin gas attack that Obama was trying to use as an excuse to invade Syria; and Hersh pointed to a report from British intelligence saying that the sarin that was used didn’t come from Assad’s stockpiles.

Hersh also said that a secret agreement in 2012 was reached between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to set up a sarin gas attack and blame it on Assad so that the US could invade and overthrow Assad. «By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria».
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However, now, for the first time, Hersh has implicated Hillary Clinton directly in this «rat line». In an interview with Alternet.org,

There is of course much more to the article, including some of the US/Saudi/Syrian history.

Jack

All

It seems with the remarks by POTUS and the tweet by Ivanka, and with the rabid warmongers here at home and in Europe all amping up the "we will act" rhetoric, there clearly seems some serious momentum this time for the war party. Nikki was showing pictures of dead babies at the UN. Boris was speaking of the despicable Assad. Tillerson was saying that Russia should stop backing Assad. He's gonna be meeting Lavrov next week. Is he going with an ultimatum?

What is the probability you all assign that we are now going to attack Assad? And will we go all in to effect regime change? Will Putin back down and feed Assad to the wolves in the west?

b

Russia will not back off. It will stick with Syria.

If U.S. goes in with forces overwhelming Russian capabilities in Syria then Russia will escalate elsewhere. Putin hasn't been nasty or ruthless yet at all. I am sure he can be both when needed and he is a very capable man.

Sam Peralta

What will Xi and Putin do, if the warmongers in the west, use this false flag to push for regime change in Syria militarily?

They must know that the western leadership are nuts and will easily become prey to the media and domestic political hysteria and consequently disregard any rationality with respect to adverse outcomes. The question is, will China and Russia risk a major global conflict and militarily oppose the US/EU/Israel march to regime change in Syria? I doubt. They will back down and sacrifice Assad & Iran.

Jackrabbit

>> "Someone's deliberate evasion"
I believe there is a hierarchy of political messaging, so that "someone" is generally Party leaders and their associates.

>> "ends in mutual self-deception and groupthink"
Agree. But its the Kool-Aid drinking grassroots that are most delusional and they get played time and time again.

turcopolier

jackrabbit

"the Kool-Aid drinking grassroots that are most delusional and they get played time and time again" That is so but the leaders of the Borg convince each other of the truth of their own BS. pl

Hood Canal Gardner

Budget vote 'noise' close at hand, no serious tax health care plan at hand, infrastructure recipes 'lost' in FDR's papers, immigration/ICE blow-back, wall cartoons being inked, drug war miasma...who pulled the trigger this time ... accepted: lots of serious noise, but who's got the Risk dice? The Gypsy King is still rolling, not the Wells Fargo Guy or the Sweeper.

Babak Makkinejad

You must be working for the government; city, county, state, or federal.

Lefty

different clue

Seems more likely there are a couple of issues that make reading not much fun for Trump. ADHD with its corresponding short attention span, and a learning disability involving reading. It is a fairly common combination.

ADHD makes it easier for something else shiny to catch his attention while the LD makes reading a chore. That would also explain TV as a primary source for him. Visual and auditory comprehension is easier for him and Fox News segments seemed timed for short attention spans.

There are other things about Trump that cause a lot more concern. Disinclination to read much seems pretty trivial.

Patrick Bahzad

Peter in T,

Do yourself a favour, stick to commenting abt Toronto or buy yourself a history book about the ME !

We been hearing the same crap about the inability of the regime and Russians to take back Aleppo as well ... well, here we are.

Best of luck with your experimental anthropology ;-)

Booby

I guess the criticism of "White Hats" handling sarin victims with their bare hands & dust masks must have reached the head choppers. Just read a CBS article titled "Turkey says autopsies prove chemical weapons attack in Syria" that included a photo of 5 people in full chemical gear moving a person on a stretcher. Who knows where the photo came from. Looked like a chem. drill. Too neat & clean for an attack site.

I really wonder what the Intel folks gave Trump in his morning brief. The bad guys have been killing their own people or innocents for the camera since Bosnia. Hopefully our intel is presenting the President with real evidence & not relying on the media (MSM or social)& AQ propaganda.

Hopefully we're not about to venture deeper into the rabbit hole.

johnf

Everything seems to be happening at such lightning speed now its difficult to keep up.

Nunes has apparently stepped down because of an "ethics" enquiry:

"The panel is looking into claims that the Republican disclosed classified intelligence.

Mr Nunes called the charges "entirely false" and "politically motivated"."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39515098

Jack

" there clearly seems some serious momentum this time for the war party."

I dunno. Here in the UK the two lead news outlets on the story - The Guardian and the Beeb - seem to have largely dropped it.

Jackrabbit

" But its the Kool-Aid drinking grassroots that are most delusional and they get played time and time again."

Again I'm not sure. The "Deplorables" seem to be fairly well innoculated against the excesses of the MSM. On the Fakenews Twitter thread the Syrian gas attacks seem to be on the same level of disbelief this week as the "Putin is Satan" memes were last week. Six Book Jonathan's have overtaken Six Pack Joes in the Gullibility Stakes.

Lefty

My old Dad would from time to time shake his head and say variations on "The dumb bastards believed their own propaganda. Be careful you don't fall into that trap kid, it's among the worst mistakes you can make".

Fred

sid,

They don't count for the borg, that is for certain. Syrian's don't matter to them either.

fanto

Tel,
Too many coincidences: Sean Connery in one of his movies – “if it happens once it is random coincidence, if it happens twice it is suspicious, if it happens three times – it is the action of an enemy”
It happened once when the UN inspectors were in Syria and Gouta happened
It happened twice when the Kiev’s war was not doing well for Kiev, and the MH-17 happened, and sanctions against Russia were immediately decided upon
It happened now in Idlib, when Assad is winning.
Not to mention the other strange coincidences
It happened last September, when the US mistakenly bombed Deir Zor
It happened in St. Petersburg metro bombing
some of us paranoics may be seeing reality after all.

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