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12 March 2017

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Fred

MRW,

Could you give us some insight on how the plebiscites to decide which religion to adopt and which to abandon were held in the lands from which this great Golden Age sprang? They did vote didn't they, to adopt Islam rather than remain Christian as they had been for a few centuries, these people in what is now Spain?

Euclid was Greek , who was it that read and transcribed his works, written more than 3 centuries before the birth of Christ (thus a BC rather than the AD in your date) so that the people of Cordoba could do trigonometry and calculus on the streets?

LeaNder

Bob, I willingly outed myself here as "cultural Marxist" on Pat's blog. Partly, maybe, since it is used here mainly as slogan, symbolizing the enemy out there, on this blog, among its people, the fifth column in the States, that is what it feels like to me, a slogan, a fighting term: US VERSUS THEM? At least as far as I am concerned.

But I haven't really managed to wrap my head around what for some here seems to belong into the larger box. Apart from the issues, I clearly understand do.

Although, considering my field, I never really bothered to find out if for Tyler, e.g. among others New Historicism would be a part of what "Cultural Marixists" are about.;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Greenblatt#New_Historicism

After all the only time I recall that art caught his attention here, was a more or less rare event.

Babak Makkinejad

IQ alone cannot account for what we have observed empirically over the last 800 years, namely the Rise of the West.

Jews, Indians, and Far Easterners were going nowhere until the Western Civilization took them out of their own slumber of centuries.

You take an Indian - usually Hindu - and put him in US Silicon Valley and boy, that guy starts going places that he could never reach in India.

Even today, in China, one witnesses overwhelming careerism among the academic staff - to the point of falsifications of data and outright cheating while, in the West, one has men and women who have devoted their lives to the humble study of animal songs and the origin of musicality (as an example).

Edward Amame

Fred

Yes, Moynihan's book was controversial at first, but over time many of his findings were affirmed. That's not been the case with Murray's assertions.

Sorry that this has gotten way off track. I gave a reason why I think that Murray is a pseudo-scientific racialist. He went to Middlebury, a college with approximately 35% minority students, to explain why he thinks that blacks are, on average, less intelligent than whites. The pushback he got should have been intellectual, not physical.

turcopolier

LeaNder

Since you are one, explain to me what "cultural Marxism" means. pl

William R. Cumming

The so-called Desert Religions spread more by force than reason.

William R. Cumming

IMO cultural Marxism is found by those reading Marx but not becoming believers in that religion.

optimax

MRW

In the Middle Ages the Arab considered himself to be the superior man based on his skin color which was a a cross between the white and the black man. The white was considered a great warrior but stupid and the black was considered very intelligent but a lousy fighter. The writer that wrote this thought the Arab displayed the best of both races and somehow avoided the other races' defects.

I did say every tribe thinks it's superior to all others. I think in some ways we are just primates fighting for dominance--either as individuals within a group or as a group against all other groups.

Greece and Rome had already come and gone (the latter almost) and contributed much to the advancement of civilization by the time Islam appeared. Paved roads and irrigation were not new.

LeaNder

I wish I could Pat, maybe William S Lind can? Not not wander off into the more esoteric or philosophical. Or Marx challenge of Hegel's idealist tradition.

http://www.marylandthursdaymeeting.com/Archives/SpecialWebDocuments/Cultural.Marxism.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Lind

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism#Historical_background

Edward Amame

Croesus

Germans don't consider the Holocaust a matter for debate, it is considered a historical fact: there is testimonial evidence, documentary evidence, and physical evidence of of mass murder by gassing at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany.

Edward Amame

Col Lang

No.

Eric Newhill

Edward,
First, there is hardly a scientific theory or an academic work that is without its critics. Pointing out that someone questions a work, even a well credentialed someone, proves nothing. It's all part of the healthy process of working towards understanding things; which one of my points - that a discussion of the science should be what occurs as opposed to a silencing of ideas, even if the ideas make some uncomfortable.

Second, I think you are maybe too absorbed in your own righteousness to see that you are doing exactly what you agree shouldn't be done. You are labeling Murray and some of funding sources as "racist" without considering the possibility that just maybe there really are racial differences in intelligence. To you that possibility is verboten, too dangerous to be discussed. On the one hand you call for open discussion and on the other you wish to see Murray demonized and silenced.

Third, I don't think you read the book. Rather you have been going about the internet looking for selected quotes to demean Murray and his work. I'd be much more interested in hearing what your take away from a careful reading of the book is. Like I said, we can all find people to take down just about anything for us if we are so inclined.

Fred

Edward,

You wiggle more than a fish on a hook. When called out on your lack of evidence of "... the right trying to shut down ideas they don't like on campus." you change the subject.

optimax

California bar exam is too tough so there is a push to lower the passing score.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/California-bar-exam-s-passing-score-should-be-10999240.php

Valissa

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Cultural_marxism
Cultural Marxism is a term used by critics and even self-admitted Marxists are unlikely to use the term to describe their own ideology. Also, Cultural Marxism has its origin in Marxist ideas but those promoting the ideas of Cultural Marxism today may not always know of this or consider themselves to be Marxists.

Instead, promoters of Cultural Marxism may use terms such as critical theory, postmodernism, deconstruction, or similar terms. Many do not know the origin of their own somewhat Cultural Marxist ideas and may, for example, describe themselves as social liberals.

Since culture is considered the primary factor which sustain inequalities, Cultural Marxism is opposed to other explanations for inequalities such as religious explanations, individual choices, or genetic factors.

Unlike Marxism which primarily focuses on economic inequalities and economic classes, Cultural Marxism see culture as a main cause for many different kinds of inequalities:
Race (Whites/non-Whites)
Culture (Western/non-Western)
Family (nuclear family/non-nuclear family)
Religion (Christianity/atheism and religious minorities)
Gender (men/women)
Sexual orientation (heterosexual/LGBT)

Cultural Marxism places great emphasis on analyzing, controlling, and changing the popular culture, the popular discourse, the mass media, and the language itself. Seeing culture as often having more or less subconscious influences on people which create and sustain inequalities, Cultural Marxists themselves often try to remove these inequalities by more or less subtle manipulation and censorship of culture.

A term describing such censorship is political correctness where all views on equality that disagree with the Cultural Marxist view are avoided, censored, and punished.

...The idea that a culture may be problematic is not new but Cultural Marxism in its current form originates in the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School is a neo-Marxist school which originated around 1923 at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany.

The Frankfurt School developed critical theory in order to analyze and explain how culture creates inequalities. It has been extremely influential and today has branches in numerous fields such as critical race theory, critical whiteness studies, critical gender studies, critical criminology, critical legal studies, etc.

... Leftist sources often dismiss Cultural Marxism not by using factual arguments but instead by labeling it a "conspiracy theory". ... The Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt was/is no secret conspiracy group but open regarding its intents and had/has many similarities to modern think thanks/"policy institutes" which openly advocate certain ideas/ideologies and try to influence and shape public discourse, culture, and society.
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Edward Amame

Fred

I provided evidence. Here's more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-right-shuts-down-free-speech-too/2016/12/15/745fa352-c30d-11e6-9578-0054287507db_story.html?utm_term=.dfbc76d10caa

turcopolier

EA

I would like your review of "Time on the Cross" It was re-printed in 199. The 2nd volume with the math is particularly interesting. pl

Edward Amame

Eric Newhill

Absorbed in my righteousness? I thought we were trying to avoid personal attacks.

I am aware of the book, having read it (a lot of it anyway) a long time ago. The idea that Murray's Bell Curve is too dangerous to discuss is ridiculous. It has been discussed ad nauseum and has not held up well over time -- especially now that genetics research suggests race is a sociologic phenom, not biologic.

turcopolier

EA

Race is a social construct? Have you had your DNA type sorted? pl

DL


Related to this is Antonio Gramsci and his theory of cultural hegemony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony

Edward Amame

Col Lang

Yup, we're all members of the same species. Races aren't biologically distinct groups. And no, I haven't had my DNA sorted, although it might be interesting to see more precisely where my ancestors came from.

Laura

MRW -- Thank you for this. A lens I hadn't considered and a powerful influence that we all need to consider as we view the current cultural and political landscape.

Edward Amame

Col Lang

That's your area of expertise and interest, so I'll leave it to you.

turcopolier

EA

But the question of the conditions of slavery bear upon the character of contemporaneous America. Do not Black Lives Matter? pl

turcopolier

EA

It is a characteristic of the Left to deny the variety of Man. Since I spent my working life dealing with the variety of Man and those who usually disastrously would not admit it, I am not sympathetic to your POV. pl

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