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01 February 2017

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turcopolier

TTG

I suppose you realize that I am protesting this kind of foolishness. I know they "get off" on it but the decision process should not be driven up to the president in SOF hit jobs. When that happens you then have the CinC going out to Dover every time they lose a few men because he personally approved this raid. You had SOG veteran friends. I am sure you understand how silly things like this look to me. And as you know they WILL lose men. pl

turcopolier

TTG

Oh, wow, face time with the president. Did they not stupidly brief him on this? This guy thinks he is a soldier because he went to a military prep school? somehow I suspect that the dynamic intellectual duo of Flynn and Harvey were involved in this. pl

Jack

Memories are short. Many forget the Rendon Group. And how the fraudster Chalabi arrived back in Baghdad with his ragtag INC force care of the CPA. Who knows if he was an Iranian agent or just the guy Wolfowitz needed for the Cheney wing to act out their regime change disaster which was backed by the Borg Queen.

The NeverTrumpers have gone full bore hysterical. While they cheered the n-dimensional chess player Barak Hussein Obama and Hillary's wars in Libya and Syria now we see their faux outrage with imagined actions that Trump may take or not.

Rather disingenuous IMO.

The Twisted Genius

pl,

I agree it's foolishness and I would protest this right by your side for all the reasons you laid out. I think a lot of this foolishness is facilitated by modern communications systems. I long for the days when you would quietly get the mission, go off to accomplish that mission for however long it took, quietly come back and everyone would STFU. There were still many of those types in the squadrons of the SMU that I served in. I honor those men. On the other hand, the HQ was crawling with MI weenies, many who advanced into the JSOC bureaucracy. I considered them wannabes, posers who did "get off" on how high-speed and bad-ass they considered themselves. Flynn is of the later type.

turcopolier

TTG

In MACVSOG and STDAT-158 we launched really big ops (1,000 man sometimes)into Laos against NVA logistics and never told anyone about but PACOM based on a secure phone call. We had standing authorities. pl

The Twisted Genius

pl,

I fear those days are long gone.

"From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever."

Thomas

I was going to ask why you think there would not be cooperation for a concluding the conflict and reading your Feb 1 4:41pm and today's 2:19pm posts I am assuming the answer is in them. Or is there more such as Iraq not being able to take, eventually, Mosul?

I do believe the Idlib province problem will be dealt with in time this year. The Russians seem adamant that the Syrians are going to due the bulk of work which slows things down as need for troops to finish in one area before being released for new operations as b has pointed out. My view are the Astana talks help by time to allow those Syrians wanting out a face saving way while Erdogan can get his brothers in that hood to separate from those on the final target list.

This conflict needs to be concluded soon.

Back to cautiously optimistic.

Thomas

Exactly.

The present solution is to turn this current militant force into a remnant of spiteful idealistic revivalists. Perhaps those generations yet to arrive here will read and learn from these times and find their way to balance the differences of life.

turcopolier

Thomas

I am not going to search for material for you. If you have a question, ask it in a straightforward way in plain English. IMO the priority of effort should be in Idlib Province because time and tide wait for no man. sometime this year is not good enough if you want to win. IMO Idlib Province is the AQ connected center of gravity in western Syria nd once the water gets turned back on in Damascus this boil should be lanced forthwith.pl

Thomas

Understood.

Some time this year would be by end of March, which I feel will happen.

turcopolier

Thomas

That would be a good thing. pl

Keith Harbaugh
"U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations."
What I can't figure out is why the military would even go to the president for approval of an operation which was so inadequately prepped to begin with. If the operation was on such shaky foundations, how did it ever move up the chain of command? Sounds to me that, if the situation was as described, the fault is 100% somewhere in uniformed DOD, not at the WH.
Origin

It was just a question. I have no opinion or position on the event.

ann

Is this a tactical mistake or a strategic mistake? Or maybe you could point me to a book that would explain in depth.


Thanks

The Twisted Genius

ann,

This was a tactical operation just like other raids undertaken by JSOC elements. I couldn't tell you whether this was a mistake or not. Probably not. Tactically, the objective was taken with light casualties. It doesn't look total surprise was achieved. All this means it wasn't perfect. Few things are in war.

Just Google tactics vs strategy to get any number of explanations on the difference.

ann

Thank you, I'll do that

Trent

Not urgent, but would appreciate your thoughts on Operation Eagle Claw in Iran in 1980. Was Carter too involved?

turcopolier

Trent

No. This was a major political issue and deserved the president's involvement. pl

turcopolier

TTG

Those days should return. What was done should be undone. pl

William Fitzgerald

Pat Lang & TTG,

The times have certainly changed. F.D.R., when he got involved in military ops., was concerned with matters like whether we should, in concert with our allies, land in France in 1943 or in 1944. Now we have a president approving a company (-) sized reconnaissance raid whose objective was to swipe some documents and computers.

So, if the raid accomplished the mission, suffered 1 KIA and 3 WIA, and lost a helicopter through a malfunction, how is that causing so much angst? And, why should the president fly to Dover to greet the returning corpse? The last question was rhetorical. The answer is P.R.

WPFIII

mike

TTG -

Today's Phase III sit map:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4GBVB_WAAQ0_L6.jpg

Doing well east of Raqqah. I have not seen any updates of what is happening on the western axis.

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