There is a lack of reality in the Borgist Resistance

" ... enemies are defined very precisely under American treason law. An enemy is a nation or an organization with which the United States is in a declared or open war . Nations with whom we are formally at peace, such as Russia, are not enemies. (Indeed, a treason prosecution naming Russia as an enemy would be tantamount to a declaration of war.) Russia is a strategic adversary whose interests are frequently at odds with those of the United States, but for purposes of treason law it is no different than Canada or France or even the American Red Cross. The details of the alleged connections between Russia and Trump officials are therefore irrelevant to treason law.

This was true even in the 1950s, at the height of the Cold War. When Julius and Ethel Rosenberg handed over nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union, they were tried and executed for espionage, not treason. Indeed, Trump could give the U.S. nuclear codes to Vladimir Putin or bug the Oval Office with a direct line to the Kremlin and it would not be treason, as a legal matter. Of course, such conduct would violate various laws and would constitute grounds for impeachment as a “high crime and misdemeanor” — the framers fully understood that there could be cases of reprehensible disloyalty that might escape the narrow confines of the treason clause."  Washpost

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It seems to me that the Borgist Resistance is intent on removing President Trump from office and probably in this calendar year.  One must ask how they think they can do that.

- They are flirting with the idea of a charge of treason or espionage based on Trump's supposed subservience and surreptitious loyalty to Russia.  They face serious barriers to this ambition; 1.  They control neither chamber of Congress.  Controlling both is necessary to removing a president through impeachment by the House and trial in the Senate.  2.  What would be the charge?  IMO there is no plausible charge.  Thus far there is no publicly known evidence of collusion with Russian government and even if there were such evidence this professor of law does not think that would qualify as treason.  3. Common sense dictates that such collusion even of proven would not qualify as "espionage" which as a crime against the US is always about collecting information rather than covert actions. 

Since the impeachment/trial scenario is so implausible the Borgist Resistance is now contemplating the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution as a means of action against President Trump.

25th Amendment -

"Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

What's the chance of this happening?  IMO 0%

And ... the Borgist Resistance seems blind to the continued loyalty of those who agree with the 9,000 people who rallied for Trump in Melbourne, Florida this week.  Does the Borgist Resistance really want to defy all those who would feel cheated by the removal of the president?  pl 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-treason/2017/02/17/8b9eb3a8-f460-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.9986158b6ea2

Comments

[Valissa]

Both Hillary supporters, who expressed admiration for her competence and sympathy for how hard her political journey has been. They both "identified" with her.

[Jack]

While you may wish what you penned comes to fruition, Trump's supporters who elected him are pleased with what they see.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-19/ap-asked-trumps-supporters-how-feel-about-his-war-press-what-it-found

Just like the election every one is going to be surprised at how strong Trump is relative to his cabinet. He's unlikely to be rolled on issues he really cares about.

[sid_finster]

No black people work in factories?

[optimax]

Jeff Bezos owns Amazon and the Washington Post and Amazon has a $600 million contract with the CIA. This makes it a perfect conduit for Borgist propaganda.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/wp_under_amazon_cloud

[Bandolero]

All

I think the best way for Trump to respond to the treason-for-speaking-with-Russia-nonsense would be to order an investigation of direct or indirect collaboration of US citizens and officials, and foreign officials, too, with Al Qaeda, especially in Syria, or threaten such an order for that matter.

I think helping Al Qaeda would be factually, juridically and politically much more fertile ground than the talking-to-Russia-witchhunt, wouldn't it? As far as I understand the US is at war with Al Qaeda, so the laws of treason may apply here?

[Babak Makkinejad]

Steel-workers did in late 1970s early 1980s.

[wisedupearly]

wrong, that scenario is not my wish at all.
Several of Trump policies are essential to our survival such focusing on American jobs, illegal immigration, rebuilding the infrastructure, getting out of stupid wars, straightening out the military weapons programs.
I really hope he can succeed.
If Pence replaces him we lose the country.

[Cortes]

Well said.

And maybe toss a few jalapeño peppers into the mix by beginning an investigation into the rethink on this guy's incarceration:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

[David]

Sweden should do what is done in Australia, which is that dual-nationals involved in serious crimes can have their Australian citizenship revoked. This has happened to at least a few involved in terrorism abroad and there was also case in Sydney where a whole family was deported because of multiple felonies by two teenage brothers.

[David]

Degringolade,

Don't you mean it the other way around as it were
the populist Gracci brothers who were assassinated by the Roman "Borg".

[Stan P.]

Lol, Tyler de Torquemada, Grand Inquisitor. But you can't joke like this because the Xanax-dependent neurotic liberals will start running stories that Trump has restarted the Inquisition. All joking aside, the people populating the Acela corridor better dial back their BS before they open an apocalyptic scenario ending in rivers of blood or a glass field in that same corridor.

[Sam Peralta]

A very good idea to identify all those that have given aid, comfort and material support to the radical islamist jihadi enemy. Love to see Jake Tapper & Chuck Todd come to their defense.

[Tyler]

Stan,

The problem is these idiots are going to meme in the Ninth Crusade and the Pinochet regime with their hyperventilating.

Personally I prefer "Archon" or "Alastor" if I need a title.

[Scylla]

Just thought I would point out that Sweden defines and reports rape differently than other nations (Ask Assange). They do not necessarily have more or fewer actual instances of sexual assault than other nations. They are the exact opposite of nations like the US that do everything they can to discourage the reporting and prosecution of sexual assault.

[optimax]

The following quote from Trump is from a 2002 magazine article profiling Jeff Epstein, six years before he served time for soliciting an underage girl for prostitution.

Epstein likes to tell people that he's a loner, a man who's never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

This doesn't mean Trump indulged in Epstein's underage brothel but Trump was being sued by a Jane Doe for him raping her at Epstein's when she was 13. Trump's past associations with sleazy characters {thew owner of a helicopter service he contracted with was busted for moving massive amounts of cocaine and Trump wrote a letter to the court vouching for his character} is hardly mentioned in the press.
I have no conclusion, just doubts about our prez or any prez we're allowed to have.

[optimax]

This is the article.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/

[Bandolero]

Cortes

I think it wouldn't be clever to mix the subjects of who supported Al Qaeda with Israeli spying in an initial investigation on who supported - or still supports - the Al Qaida enemy. That would only put wide open the door for Borginst allegations of a biased enquiry regarding the support of Al Qaeda while damaging perspectives for Major Tulsi Gabbard's "Stop Arming Terrorists Act."

But, of course, if an investigation ordered by Trump would somehow come to the conclusion, that there are indications that Israeli officials somehow supported or support Al Qaeda, than, I think, Trump would be well positioned to order an investigation of possible Israeli spying in the US, including the circumstances of Pollard's pardon.

With regard to possible Israeli support for Al Qaeda, I think an investigation may start with a JPost article September 17, 2013. The relevant text there reads, quote begin:

'"Tehran-Damascus-Beirut arc is the greatest danger," says outgoing Israeli envoy to US Michael Oren. ... “The initial message about the Syrian issue was that we always wanted [President] Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran,” he said.

This was the case, he said, even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated to al-Qaida.'

Quote end. Source: http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

Well, to me it sounds like that the Israeli ambassador to the US told the world there, that Israel wanted the officially declared US enemy of Al Qaeda to win. I find that a remarkable statement from a close US ally, even more so from an ambassador of an ally having a "special relationship" receiving billions of Dollars of US military aid each year.

So for the US Israel seems to be an ally which wants the enemy of the US to win. I think if President Trump would explain this situation to his people - who usually love Israel - he could make American voters understand that this is something quite contrary to what it should be.

[different clue]

Valissa,

I think the #theResistance is an undercover Clinton Restoration group. All the Clinton/Obama people already knew eachother and had their connections and linkups in place. They have rushed out this #theResistance to get DemParty citizens rounded up and serving the Clinton/Obama party lords early. The #theResistance leader-planners hope to occupy so much brainspace that the "Berniecrats" are denied any space to entrench and grow outward from.

Keeping the DemParty controlled by the DLC Free-Trade Wall Street Democrats is the goal of #theResistance. "Getting rid of Trump" is just the organizing hook and loyalty reinforce.

[different clue]

David E. Solomon,

The DLC Wall Street Democrats would prefer a President Pence over a President Trump. Pence supports Cold War 2.0 with Russia, Free Trade Agreements, and regime change in Syria and probably elsewhere just like they do.

Any impeachment effort will have to be aborted in the House. Because if the House is permitted to vote for Articles of Impeachment and send them to the Senate, enough mainstream Republican and mainstream Democratic Senators will vote to impeach that he would be removed. So it has to be prevented from passing the House.

[different clue]

Fred,

Why would Obama want Ellison to be DemParty Chair? Doesn't Ellison oppose Obama on several important issues? Isn't Perez more
DLC/Free Traderite/anti-Russianitic than Ellison?

[different clue]

Cvillereader,

In reading this, I note that the biggest thing OFA is organized to agitate about is "protecting Obamacare". Since Obama expected to earn a lot of gratitude-reward money from the different medical-industrial-insurance players for getting Obamacare passed, perhaps he sees those payoffs threatened if Obamacare gets repealed. Perhaps his owner-sponsors have privately told him that he has to make sure Obamacare stays the law if he wants to get any of the money he is expecting.

That would explain to me why he cares so much. Its all about the money . . . the "his" money which he has been expecting for a job well done over these last 8 years.

[different clue]

Birturner,

Your comment is so full of grammatical mistakes and misspellings that I wonder if you are really an African American woman at all. I wonder if you aren't some kind of "performance satire" troll.

[OldCoastie]

Geez, Stan P., all joking aside, who exactly is gonna mete out this punishment on the Acela corridor? Trump? His supporters? I keep seeing stuff like this but am never sure who is going to do the dirty deed.

[Bill H]

Removal of Trump from office does seem unlikely, but the behavior of "The Resistance" seems odd to me even in calling themselves that. "Resistance" is what one does against a totalitarian government. In a democracy, the minority is still part of government, both in the legislature and in the electorate.

They are on the losing side of an election and have the expressed goal of delegitimizing and removing the winner, in which case we would pretty much have to quit pretending to be a democracy. Elections in which only one outcome is accepted are the kind of thing that is done in, for instance, Syria.

[David]

My apologies Degringolade,
I read the tweet backwards.