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04 February 2017

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turcopolier

jayinbmore

you are behind the times. NSA now collects US domestic comms on the flimsiest of excuses in the GWOT. pl

turcopolier

ked

Yes, but not if you are a sworn civil servant or soldier. pl

ked

I'm also curious about this ilk thing. Could you describe your own ilk so I can compare it to my ilk and all the other ilks? Or can ilks only be a feature of ilks other than one's own? I'm afraid all this ilkism is confusing to me. Please advise.

ked

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware that was happening. I did see something about a SEAL Team convoy flying a political flag from a military vehicle driving through KY a few days ago. I suppose it's hard to suppress our theatrical tendencies.

Babak Makkinejad

Bush II made the enemies of Israel also US enemies.

Of the seven countries on that list, he destroyed one called Iraq - with marginal help from Poland, UK, Georgia, Spain and a few other boot-lickers as the old saying goes.

Obama destroyed, together with EU, another one on that list, Libya and wounded Syria.

Obama tried, together with EU, to wreck Iran as well through Economic War, but failed; ergo JCOPA, the cease-fire deal.

Trump has gone further and designated the inhabitants of those states also as enemies of the United States; both Obama and Bush II professed friendship towards Iranian people, for example. And he has expressed a public desire to resume war against Iran by discarding JCOPA.

There seems to be a remarkable amount of accidental continuity in the United Foreign policy. It reminds me of the comment about Kosovo in a Bush I speech which was followed by Clinton with war against what was left of Yugoslavia.

The question in my mind is if Trump is going to go to war with Iran? Or escalate in Yemen? Or Sudan?

After all, Sudan, Iran, Syria, Yemen are still left standing.

Babak Makkinejad

I hope you recall me writing on this forum some time ago that the Fortress West has decided that Shia Muslims are its enemies and Sunni Muslims its friends.

Abrams is just stating the common consensus.

b

This is, in my estimate, just self-promotion of the neocons. We saw exactly the same when they tried to plant Bolton into the Trump administration.

Josh Rogin is a neocon fabulator. He has just been caught making up other #fakenews about the Trump administration.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/washington-post-steve-bannon-sean-spicer_us_58965b8ce4b0c1284f26473f

Andrea Mitchel, wife of Greenspan and herself neocon connected (see her role in the Plame affair), repeated the Rogin rumor on Twitter. That confirms my hunch that this is just an advertising campaign for Abrams.

Tillerson would be nuts to accept a neocon as deputy. They are generally bad for business. Totally not his style.

Old Microbiologist

Kagan went "all in"for Clinton and has permanently ruined any chances of influencing Trump. Trump, it appears, holds deep grudges.

Old Microbiologist

Trump can sideline all of them by releasing all the radar data (which we have at least 3 differents sources of plus satellite imaging) and transcripts/voice recordings of the control tower for MH-17 showing very clearly it was the Kiev government who shot down the plane and actively covered up by the US. If everyone can recall, the intent was to clear an escape corridor for the encircled Kiev forces, which worked as planned.

Trump's failure to reassure Poroshenko in their phone call must be rankling the neocons to no end. What he didn't say was more weapons and more support but what he did say is the US would work with all sides to reach a peaceful settlement. Couple that with his O'Reilly interview about lack of US innocence when it comes to killing and McCain/Graham might just have an cranial aneurysm.

Perhaps few notice that any visit by McCain to Ukraine is shortly followed by some atrocities.

raven

Do you read what Tyler writes?

turcopolier

raven

Yes and because of his difficulty in living with my admonitions says he is taking a break for a while. pl

raven

Well, I going to do my level best to adhere to your guidelines.

The Beaver

@ Old Microbiologist

Reason his wife Victoria Nuland (who was just promoted to the level of Ambassador within Foggy Bottom) was asked to clear her office . She did resign before T-Rex came in.

Had HRC won, both the social worker and Victoria would have been given key positions within DOS.

The Beaver

@ Babak

It is going to be Yemen because of the UAE who want control of the ports along the coast of Yemen.

iowa steve

Why the Abrams and Kagans of the world aren't jobless and shunned is beyond me--no, not really. I know why.

If there was any justice in the world they would be changing bedpans at a VA hospital.

LeaNder

ked, great way to deal with matters.

turcopolier

ked

You are being facetious. My "ilk" are the people who, like me have backgrounds in the military and intelligence services. Don't be sophistic here. It is not appreciated. pl

turcopolier

LeaNder

What? you think ked put me down? pl

turcopolier

raven

Thank you. pl

Babak Makkinejad

UAE, UAE?

Those 300-pound men controlling ports in Yemen?

With what soldiers? Pakistanis? Or Cameronians?

Bringing the "Zangi" back?

I do not think so.

The Beaver

@ Babak

The mercs of Erick Prince !

Thomas

"Trump can sideline all of them by releasing all the radar data (which we have at least 3 differents sources of plus satellite imaging) and transcripts/voice recordings of the control tower for MH-17 showing very clearly it was the Kiev government who shot down the plane and actively covered up by the US."

Yes, this should be done anyways for public transparency, because if the Nouveau Khans can get away with this act, what horror will they try to double down on next before being stopped?

Thomas

"14 Hawk SAM's and over 200 Hawk spare parts."

Only for the Iranians to discover they were useless and had been double crossed.

turcopolier

Thomas

I was in the midst of that as a JCS "planner" and on the committee that approved the release from DoD stocks. It was not the intention of the US to sell them defective equipment. You omit mention of all those improved TOWs. I think you have gotten hold of some Iranian propaganda. pl

Castellio

It's a constructed consensus, Babak, and it never ceases to amaze me that you seem eager to accept it as an historical inevitability.

The Sunni Muslims were not friends while their countries or governments were being attacked and destroyed. The Shia Muslims were not enemies while the Shah was in power.

I wrote here several times that once the limitation on any possible nuclear program was in place, "Fortress West" would act to role back Iran's ballistic missile capabilities. Not because they represent any threat to the US, not because the program isn't a reasonable program of self-defense, nor because Shia are "enemies", but simply and solely because these conventional arms challenge the military superiority of Israel.

The current role of Iran in Iraq is actually beneficial to American interests. If Americans choose not to align with Iranian interests due to Israeli belligerence, why should you fall for the ruse that it is inherent religious animosity?

Unless you are happy to sing the same siren song as Abrams.


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