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06 February 2017

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trinlae

Imho the respected Colonel is challenging us to go a good bit deeper with this particular correspondence.

That is, if we look behind the scenes, we can acknowledge that certain corporate media leaders are doing double and even triple duty, because the old healthy "conflict of interest" boundaries of earlier generations have been tossed aside, and we now have the owner of Wapo holding up naked emperors of Wall St while simultaneously holding hefty contracts with the CIA, to take just one example (Google/alphabet/cfr line appears to be the quietest, perhaps because they are already a transnational entity and pragmatic in business: perhaps they've shopped their rationale for keeping youtube open as a "better the devils you know" concept and keep the retail and metadata collection contract revenues flowing freely).

So if the politicized media outlets pumping the anti-Trump narratives 24/7 express the sentiments of memes picked up via their deep state entanglements, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander, and the media are a bottom-up cleansing vector where top-down agency sweeps are impractical, or can be a squeeze out via pressure on both ends where suitable, but without contaminating innocent neutrals and good guys.

For details of the above-mentioned triple duty, see:

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/06/whats-really-behind-the-washington-posts-efforts-to-marginalize-bernie-sanders/

and

https://youtu.be/9fat63bqvG8 where Abby Martin shows NPR owned by Podesta group

(disclaimer: i haven't verified veracity of any claims in these reports, but the journalism is pretty thick by today's flimsy standards)

There were also said to be several senior people of msm outlets who had relatives in the old dispensation who have since been evicted, they were made well known to the public through meme pics among the bernie bros), accordint to this meme entitled "Are You Sleeping?", the previous deputy secy for HRC had his wife as pres of CNN, CBS pres had a brother in Obama WH, and ABC pres had a sibling that was an Obama advisor.

So it seems prudent to be realistic about what we are dealing with in this topic. I find it very curious that those who are genuinely afraid of DT being a fascist think nothing of handing their money over to Amazon and Wapo! And imo they become furious when challenged on this point, so it may pay to use discretion discussing this with relatives of such persuasions.

trinlae

I recently tried to propose to someone in the anti-Trump group-think camp that it was overly generous to attribute these lapses to deliberate scheming and lying, and that it was more likely that the said persons were simply out of their depth in having a clue about what they were trying to talk about. They suggested that the apparent coordination and steady stream of fact-challenges implied to them that a mastermind was behind them, even if not the talking head mouth.

In any case, what i find stunning in the case of cnn, for example, is that the drum banging goes on and on and on hour after hour and day after day, at the expense of other interesting news such as science and arts, and god forbid, international news. The effect especially on elderly who have a lifelong habit of depending on tv network news as a civic responsibility, and otherwise mostly home-bound and illiterate in independent news via computer is profound. They then see the same story echoed via WAPO hacks in the print dailies, so it "must be true."

jonst

some may find this odd...but I would say this is a pretty good coverage of who the netroots was.

http://www.ianwelsh.net/lessons-for-the-resistance-from-the-bush-resistance/

English Outsider


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604

Pity. I don't have much time for the inmates of the Westminster bubble but at least they were reckoned to be good at the protocol stuff. Another illusion bites the dust.

Bandolero

All

I think the Trump team is doing quite well in the information war.

What I find a particularly clever move is to better cooperate with non mainstream media. Like, when Sean Spicer in the press conference gave the right to ask the first question to Lifezette or now WH is allowing Skype questions from talk radio and so on. Trump referenced in tweet OANN.

That strategy could be expanded, for example with exclusive media appearances announcing and explaining important policy decisions by top officials could be given to fair non MSM media of all kinds while the hostile MSM just get boiler plate statements by second tier officials on air. And even there, the second tier officials could reference to fair non MSM as in MSM Q: ... Trump Spox answer A: As (POTUS/VP/the Secretary) just explained in his interview with (name of fair non MSM media) the decision taken was... As I see it, Trump and his people are totally free to which media they give the most interesting interviews and to whom not.

Such a strategy could hurt hostile MSM badly, because it would limit their news to second guessing and their viewers would notice that over time.

J

Colonel,

The Pentagon came out today that their new retirement plan is now effective.

Here is an article that was written on it last year:

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/military-retirement-pension-thrift-savings-plan

jonst

The MSM has not given the Trump Admin a fair chance. You know it, and I know it. There reason/s for not doing so are because they think he is horrible, and the same with his Admin, or, they think he is Hitler, circa 1932. and all tricks are justified. Which indeed they may have been...circa 1932. I just wish they would come out and say it. But that is not within their interests.

Marcus

In regards to "It should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer that CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post and many other media outlets are deeply committed to hostility to the Trump Administration..."
I can pick out different issues where this doesn't apply. The Supreme Court nominee is one such issue.
But the entertainment value of this crew is too rich. The chief advisor is an avowed radical--a Leninist. IMHO this administration has issues that should be of concern to discerning citizens. I want these people scrutinized thoroughly.
Get into a pissing match with some press heavyweights? What is the saying about picking a fight with someone that buys ink (electrons) by the barrel. Good luck with that tact.

When various press representatives question some of the the blatant reckless, delusional,
and petty behaviosr of this man maybe he should reflect a bit and assess content for validity. No, not trying to be facetious. At least the press shows more respect for Trump than Trump shows to the other branches of government. No press rep has called him the "so called President" yet.

bks

I like your suggestion for a different reason. Too often the White House controls the media through a patronage system of access to unnamed officials. Cut the press off entirely and they'll be forced to do their homework rather than to act as stenographers to power.

Freudenschade

Col.,

being oppositional to the pugnacious New Yorker is just good for business. Until Trump cools down, it's unlikely the media will tone down their sales pitch to concerned citizens.

Imagine

America has gone far with the sacred value of Freedom of the Press, and I would argue that this constitutes the intent of a wide definition for all players rather than the narrow definition of Congress's laws only. The President has the advantage of the armed forces on his side; thus needs counterbalance. The opposite of a free press is one enjoyed by totalitarian governments, in which the press is censored or dictated to. Slippery slope. A certain government sends midnight goon squads in to trash the headquarters and equipment of press it disapproves of. I would really hate to see the habit adopted here.

Nixon was rightly brought down by the press, including Doonesbury. Trump himself attempted to take down Obama with the birther movement. America is based on a robust exchange of ideas instead of violence, and the truth will out, eventually, even if it takes decades. The main current problem is Operation Mockingbird never really stopped, and the sparse American press is controlled by Zionist/neocon elements who have a wild hair up their nose. But notice it's Trump that's in the Oval Office catbird seat, not Graham, not McCain, not Kagan, not Bolton, not Cheney, not Biden, not any former CIA director. He seems well capable of taking care of himself so far. Very interesting that the deep State seems to be using color revolution tactics on him, but we'll see how that plays out.

The press should not be muzzled. Neither should the President. There is certainly an unfilled need for actual news that's not Ziocon based.

David E. Solomon

Colonel Lang,

At the risk of having you depart again, I would just like to say that it seems that a number for posters have once again gotten quite uncivil.

I certainly don't want to see you go away. Is it not possible to simply ignore them and not post their comments?

Regards,

David

turcopolier

David E. Solomon

Yes, well, I am steeling myself to that necessity. thanks. pl

Hood Canal Gardner

Okay Pat English. Gypsy = Trump. Diversion = yelling, eye contact broken (clerk-gypsy customer, pushing ruckus, owner-seen theft in one part of the store while the others load up/bugger off. Here's one, that's Trump loading up the "small stuff"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXA4DMbwGLY

The yelling looks like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULJ2K0L_00&list=RD9ULJ2K0L_00#t=72

Pat the gypsy diversion-theft routine you've seen. If you haven't somewhere I've got a piece of one on film from Bucharest.

Diversion tactics don't need more words.

Last week or the week before Trump got the MSM's+print/blogs attention while he started the evisceration (first youtube vid) of Dodd-Frank and EPA clean water regs at behest of the mining industry + what more that we'll learn about when we put our hands in our pockets to find that it's more than change that is missing. The question facing Trump's people how to deal with diversions he's starting/started because he's already being "daisy-chained diverted" himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXA4DMbwGLY

As for sinking the lady (Statue if Liberty) the German press last week cut her head off. Any serious Executive Order (EO) attempt to muzzle-persona non grata gov't employees from the Press/MSM or order DHS/CID to start winnowing service personnel social media remarks will, in my estimation, bring down most of what is left of the house ie "sink what's left of the Lady."

Like I said that's my reading..diversionary tactics are nothing new, neither is the gypsy or colonial mentality as to who owns what. That's enough/didn't mean to trouble you. Thanks for the chair kick. ted

turcopolier

mike

The USAF version was quite good airplane but never saw much action except in the attack on Libya way back.pl

turcopolier

HCG

IMO, as I have written before, he is a master showman and deal maker. I have know several such, one of whom was a quite good general and director of DIA. The real question for me is if there is substance behind the mask and the shell of insecure ego. I haven't figures that out yet. People like me and TTG lived by our ability to sort out the threads in someone's personality. I'm not there yet with President Trump. I'll let you know when I get there. The Germans, Ruritanians, etc. Let them chew their nails for a while. pl

turcopolier

Marcus

"an avowed radical--a Leninist." Well, to be an admirer of Lenin as an effective revolutionary politician is not necessarily the same thing as to be a "Leninist." I once said to a senior USAID official that his analysis of the social structure of Lebanon was Marxist, i.e., it imagined the country as run by economic classes. After the meeting a colleague present at the encounter said that I had called the man a communist. Not so. pl

turcopolier

j

Are we grandfathered? pl

turcopolier

Bandolero

Our views are coincident. It won't take long for ratings to drop as it is realized that they have lost a lot of access. pl

turcopolier

lars

suspect what you like, but what will actually happen is that the government will pursue leakers relentlessly and punish those they catch. the government people here know that. this will have a "chilling effect" on leaking. pl

turcopolier

EA

If you were civil you would not accuse your opponents of bad faith. pl

Brunswick

Give while you can,

https://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com

Richard Armstrong

The Colonel opened saying "It should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer that CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post and many other media outlets are deeply committed to hostility to the Trump Administration". I wish he had not relied on our ability to intuit the obvious and instead provided some examples of the media's war on Trump.

Other posters appear to believe that anything reported in the media that they do not agree with is both false and an attempt to attack the president. One even said, "The POTUS is taking so much flak that i'm pretty much given up on believing any of the major outlets.". That is a tacit admission the commenter will only believe news that they agree with.

Trump picked this fight with the media during the presidential campaign. Just google "campaign trump dishonest media" to read a number of articles quoting Trump disparaging members of the media as being dishonest and the worst kind of people.

Then google "Trump Lies". Pray tell how is it possible for the media to call lying "lying" without calling it "lying"?

Kellyanne Conway may not be a liar, however she has a demonstrated propensity to say things that are factually untrue and then instead of admitting her error she spins it away saying she misspoke. See the Bowling Green Massacre/Attack. On three separate occasions she referred to this non event.

The White House then provided a list of 78 attacks (fewer if you remove the duplicates) they claimed were under reported by the media. This begs the question as to how much reporting on an attack would be sufficient to satisfy this White House. Many attacks on the list were extensively covered by the media. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/06/the-white-house-releases-a-list-of-under-covered-terror-attacks-it-would-like-you-to-look-at/?utm_term=.4d35132b3c12

When a pubic figure attacks the media for accurately reporting he and his spokespersons repeated prevarication it is he who has declared war and not the media.

Comments from Trump...

"If the disgusting and corrupt media covered me honestly and didn't put false meaning into the words I say, I would be beating Hillary by 20%," Trump said Sunday in one of seven anti-media tweets.

He also tweeted, "It is not 'freedom of the press' when newspapers and others are allowed to say and write whatever they want even if it is completely false!"

"As you know, I have a running war with the media. They are among the most dishonest human beings on Earth," Trump said.

“You know, some of the media is among the worst people I’ve ever met,” Trump continued. “I mean a pretty good percentage is really a terrible group of people. They write lies, they write false stories. They know they’re false.

“When I watch a George Will or a Charles Krauthammer, you know, I’ve watched them for years, they’re losers. They’re just losers. They sit there, they haven’t done anything,” Trump added.

.@MarthaRaddatz was so unprofessional and biased when discussing me on This Week. @GStephanopoulos should not allow this conduct!.@MarthaRaddatz was so unprofessional and biased when discussing me on This Week. @GStephanopoulos should not allow this conduct!

On the campaign trail in Iowa, a state whose people I have truly gotten to know and love, I have been treated very badly by the Des Moines Register. They were uneven and inconsistent, but far more importantly, very dishonest. They would rarely write the facts or report what really took place.”

turcopolier

Richard Armstrong

I think the committee will provide you a wealth of examples of the medias continuing campaign against Trump. Life is too short and demands om my time too many for me to mine the data for you. It is noticeable however that what the media critics and perhaps you as well is that opinions voiced by Trump or his people are "fact checked" for those opinions and the opinions are then described as lies if the reporter does not like them and they always dislike them. As for the example you cited from Conway she has acknowledged that she misspoke. Do you not occasionally misspeak? I do. I remember one such instance in 1965 and another just last year. IMO we should not expect perfect performancef rom anyone. BTW, you are Canadian. Perhaps Trudeau could agree to take those 1200 odd Muslim refugees that the Australians refuse to admit to their country and whom they are holding in Papua New Guinea and Nauu? pl

Edward Amame

TV

Actually Politifact is run by the Tampa Bay Times. The paper's reporters and editors do the fact checking. Over the years, it's been criticized by libs and conservatives alike. In 2013, they awarded lie of the year to Pres Obama.

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