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02 December 2016

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Annem

It seems that sending the "other/our jihadis" off to Idlib is not a problem for the SAA and Russians, but the offer doesn't extend to Jabhat Fath al Sham.

Nuff Sed

Emm, Cal Berkeley actually, seeing as you've asked. But pretty close. And yes, it is my own system. It is Arabic through an indo-European filter, namely, a Persian one. Hence, Teymiyya rather than the Arabic Taymiyya. And you were absolutely right when you said earlier that there is no universally accepted system of latinizing Arabic (let alone Persianate Arabic names and Persianized loan words). In contemporary common Persian usage, the kasra goes from the Arabic ee to something like an eh. The eben is actually a hybrid or compromise as i decided the Persian "ebn-e" was too much. I also decided to go with an "as pronounced" system rather than the academicall preferred "as written" Latinization for the benefit of those who don't know how the words are supposed to be pronounced. Thus, I revert back to the way it used to be before the library of congress was adopted, e.g., an-Najaf rather than al-Najaf, Fatimat oz-Zahra in preference to Fatima al-Zahra, etc. But you can't win with an as pronounced "system" as this varies with time and space. Hence academia's preference for the letter. But then, they don't have to worry about their audience mangling the pronounciation every time.

Sorry to rant on. Nuff Sed.

The Beaver

Colonel,

Doucet who is Canadian is a very good journalist. She was "stolen" from the CBC after her reporting on Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion back in the 80's.

The Beaver

@ TTG

After the Friends of Syria meeting 5 years ago in November 2011 in Paris, Guess what:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/eu-offers-cash-to-assad-regime-for-syria-peace-deal-w8shn8rjx

"The EU is offering financial support for a Syria still ruled by President Assad in a last-ditch effort to retain western influence on the outcome of the war, The Times has been told."

Poor Ayrault who was trying to get the coalition going ( anyway no point since Pres. Hollande won't be running again)We will see what happens at the UNSC

Akire

After Syria is done, Yemen is next.

Croesus

Just like Catholicism, which was, is, and ever shall be One.

Unless of course you are talking to an Irish bishops at a spaghetti dinner in the church hall of an Italian parish in a Polish neighborhood in a sanctuary city for Hispanic immigrants.

Croesus

Nevertheless, one hopes desperately that Aleppo's Citadel is not destroyed. The soul of a people is centered on such monuments; they seem essential to re-invigorate a traumatized society.

BraveNewWorld

Strangely proximity doesn't seem to help cure the BS. The CBC sent some one to West Aleppo as well and they are still sticking to their masters(the NDP party) line of White helmets, last hospital etc,etc. I have written a letter to their ombudsman stating they should do a review of how they failed so entirely and suggesting they apologise the people of Canada for what they have done.

I am chocking this up to the old adage "There are none so blind as those who will not see".

Thirdeye

When BBC admits refugees are coming to government-held areas and the terrorists are shooting at them for trying to leave, you know things are getting serious!

BraveNewWorld

"Congress authorizes Trump to arm Syrian rebels with anti-aircraft missiles"

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/12/defense-ndaa-congress-manpads-syria.html

I will give Trump the benefit of the doubt and assume he wouldn't do it even if pushed by Congress. Not that it will matter by the time Trump takes over there won't be a lot of large armed Jihadi groups left. It will be more under ground and I suspect walking around with manpads will be a good way to get disappeared in the nearish future of Syria.

As for this "wise" decision by Congress there is nothing I can say that would not get me banned from this site.

plantman

Colonel,

When the SAA takes the last part of Aleppo, do you expect they will find communications equipment that will identify their supporters? (and whether those supporters have been providing on-the-ground logistical assistance.)

Bandolero

turcopolier

My understanding is now that the Syrian army will likely follow a different approach than following the airport road. I think now the Syrian army will likely go through the middle of densely built districts, one after the other, like Karm al-Myassar - Marjah - Salheen - Karm ad Dada. -> Game over. See that potential move here:

http://bit.ly/2gTrGqU

The reason why I think such a move may be better is that - AFAIK - these are largely empty districts, while rebels have put all their power on holding the front lines, and these front lines are defended with well entrenched positions, lot's of IEDs and so on.

There were even reports in western media about all life being close to front lines. Western media explained that with the argument that being close to the front lines people feel more secure because Syrian helicopters are afraid to drop barrel bombs there because they are afraid of hitting their own people close to the front lines. I don't buy that. I think all life in rebel-held Aleppo moved to the front lines because the front lines are the only places in rebel-held Aleppo where there is money, wages for fighters, and therefore shops, food and so on. But the districts behind the front lines are ghost towns.

That's what I think the Syrian army is heading for: going through the ghost towns from one to the next and from there taking down entrenched rebel front lines from behind. So for example: the airport road is likely an entrenched rebel front line, but for an attack from the ghost districts behind their backs there rebels at the front line are not prepared.

Of course, these possible tactics may all be not very important anymore. The whole situation in Aleppo looks to me more and more like a fight between a 300 pound boxer and a 100 pound boxer. If it is so it doesn't matter much anymore whether the 300 pound boxer SAA comes over the right side, the middle or the left side. It needs just one more blow anyhow and the 100 pound rebel boxer is knocked out. But that blow should come asap.

Chris Chuba

The Borg media is relentless. On FOX News, they said that 30,000 have already 'fled' eastern Aleppo and that the 'regime' has captured 60% of the pocket and are storming the remaining portion were 250,000 civilians are trapped. All enabled by genocidal bombing by the Russians, of course. Do these people listen to themselves, at what point would a thinking person start to question number like 250K, when 1% of the pocket is left? There was tons of editorializing about, 'how we are letting this happen', 'how it was shameful', etc, ...

Here is a satirical map of Aleppo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxrXPkXUQAAZlf6.jpg
Do visit the weblink. I find that a little humor takes some of the sting out of watching this farce of a coverage of the Syrian war.

LG

Perhaps, sir, we could just call them terrorists (as the Syrian govt calls them). This has the advantages of being easily understood by all.

two reporters from Anna News, that has done excellent coverage of the Syrian War, provide an excellent overview of military tactics in the Syrian war. The beginning of the video seem boring to all of you who are military experts, but you might find the latter part interesting. I encourage all SST members to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSnRo7aO9I
"Vasily Pavlov, Anrey Filatov lecture on terrorist tactics - paralyzing and destroying modern society"

turcopolier

Bravenewworld

IMO the present Congress is largely inhabited by the ignorant. pl

turcopolier

Nuff Sed

OK. I won't argue. Is this a Hebrew University method? In a strange way it seems like Doughty's English in "Travels in Arabia Deserta." pl

Nuff Sed

1. He was misinterpreted by Eben Teymiyya.
2. You are rhinitis of the second Eben Saud, not the original one.

Nuff Sed

I wouldn't know.

Dubhaltach

In reply to Kooshy 02 December 2016 at 07:04 PM

"UN and west will pressure the Russians and Syrians and they will have to agree"

Really? The Russians and Syrians are winning on the field and it's the victor that dictates the terms. They might do as you suggest either because they see some advantage to it or because of miscalculation. But that's not the same as the losers dictating the terms.

LeaNder

NS, you seem to be the singularity your aka suggests.

"In contemporary common Persian usage, the kasra goes from the Arabic ee to something like an eh. ... "

Guessing here:
Does "usage" serve as synonym for "phonetics" here?

But you can't win with an as pronounced "system" as this varies with time and space.

Yes, true.
Nitwit question: But present Persian phonetics can bridge space and time in transcriptions versus transliteration? Before and after the times when Persian was some kind of lingua franca in the ME?

LeaNder

Ok, I see. Sounded somewhat peculiar to this nitwit too.

b

The ANNA News talk was extremely interesting - thanks for that. I beleive that the observations in it are correct.

(unfortunately I can not find the second part in English)

Will.2718

Adding a comment to the transliteration of Arabic thread. Always wondered how ibn-Rushd, who wrote 'The Incoherence of the Incoherence' in reply to 'The Incoherence of the Philosophers,' metamorphosed into 'Averroes.' His work was introduced to the Latin West from Spain by Hebrew scholars. "Averroes is the Medieval Latin form of the Hebrew translation Aben Rois or Rosh of the Arabic Ibn Rushd." wikipedia

LG

Sorry its in Russian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcYEEjkHQrM

I think I've seen one with English dubbing but I may be mistaken. Couldn't find it.

Pundita

Haven't seen Elyse Doucet's reports on TV but a Dec 3 video report from her at the BBC site is a misleading account of what things are like for E. Aleppo displaced persons in warehouse shelter(s) in W. Aleppo. If you want to see it, here is the link; scroll down at bit on the page to the video, which is titled "The children of eastern Aleppo have never known a life without war."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38194136

The contrast between the shelter situation shown by Doucet and her camera crew, and the one shown at the FARS site, is striking.

http://en.farsnews.com/player.aspx?nn=13950913000678

While the warehouse site in the FARS video is crowded and conditions are primitive, doctors are in attendannce, the DPs are being fed, and supplies are being distributed, all under the direction of competent-looking lades directing the action with megaphones. It's not the Red Cross after it's had time to set up a shelter for hurricane victims in the USA, but it's nowhere near the horror show portrayed by Doucet and her camera crew.

The stark contrast between the BBC and FARS videos could be 'best and worst-case' shelters, but the British public will never have a chance to see the side of the story that FARS shows.

Moreover, Doucet makes it seem that the bleak situation she shows at the warehouse will grind on. What she doesn't explain is that the warehouse accommodations are meant to be very temporary -- while the Russian and Syrian governments get basic services restored in the areas of E. Aleppo that the SAA coalition cleared of terrorists.

So while Doucet steers clear of the most blatant propaganda, her report is so insidious that it makes the sledgehammer propaganda of another BBC correspondent, Lina Shamy, look like amateur hour. The winsome Ms Shamy also has her latest report, filed from E. Aleppo for BBC Arabic, posted on the same page as Doucet's. (Scroll down a little more for that one.)

As to why Shamy is reporting in English for BBC Arabic, maybe because a video news editor at the Beeb got her from Looks Like Me Central Casting and couldn't resist pitching her to English-speaking news consumers. She's Syrian but she looks like me, she talks like me -- "me" being a sensitive Western 20Something who needs coloring books to survive hearing about the horrors of war.

But Shamy makes sure her viewers hear every whopper she can think up to convey the horrors of the the Assad Dictator's assaults on innocents.

By the way, the Looks Like Me persuasive tactic, while not new, has been refined to the point where it can be considered a science; it was used with devastating success in the infamous "Stop Kony 2012" video to immediately gain sympathy, and donations, from hundreds of thousands of internet-surfing Western children and young adults.

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