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10 November 2016

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Babak Makkinejad

Well, is an anti-Muslim bigot the President of the United States?

You do not need to convince me, I wonder what the Gulfies think.

GulfCoastPirate

Fred wrote:

'You mean our votes should be weighted by the dollars we pay in taxes? My vote won't be equal to Warren Buffet's because he's got more money?'

Nice try at diversion but that isn't even close to what I said. What I said was we aren't represented equally. If I live in a state with 25 million people and you live in a state with 2 million people then the Senate makes your vote count more than mine even though we both pay taxes into the system - no matter how much that may be. As it turns out a lot of little states who have 2 senators just like California or Texas get those 2 votes translated into additional electoral votes which also warps the representation of individuals in the electoral college.

Then we have all these little states which are over represented in the legislature voting themselves federal government benefits so that the amount of taxes they pay into the system is far less than the amount of dollars they take out of the system. Twice now in 16 years the Republicans have managed to get the presidency with fewer total votes. Before that it hadn't happened since the 19th century. While the system may have seemed to make sense at the time it no longer works for the larger states.

GulfCoastPirate

Sam,

I'm talking about aggregate totals for each state. Not where that tax income originates in each state. I'm not trying to separate out what the 'citified' and the 'deplorables' pay in each state. I'm only commenting on the aggregates and any subsidies to business would be counted in those aggregates.

I agree with you on the tax code and tax percentages but that is a different discussion. Do you expect Trump to do anything in that area?

GulfCoastPirate

turcopolier wrote:

'1. Both parties gerrymander whenever they can. You live in Texas where Democrats rarely get to do anything important politically so it may seem to you that the GOP are the gerrymanderers everywhere but they are not. Everyone does it to reflect actual communities of sentiment.'

Yes, I'm aware it's been done in the past but never to the degree the Republicans have carried it out nationwide since the tea party elections of 2010. The courts have stepped in multiple times in Texas.


'The "stupid" soldiers (my people) disproportionally come from among the "others." This tendency to populate the armed services with the "others" has been growing since the end of the draft. Those people, the fighters and former fighters voted GOP in very large numbers.'

Frankly, given Hillary's tendencies in the Middle East with the neocons and the Zionists I don't blame them. I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of what happens to them when they leave the military.

I agree with your statement on technology and 'outlook on life'. For those on the coasts trade hasn't only brought about expanded economic opportunities it's also brought about the opportunity to meet people from elsewhere and be influenced by their outlooks on life. There is a reason Galveston/Houston has a different outlook than College Station or Lubbock. I'll give you an example. Tuesday Houston went bluer than it did in 2012, 2008 and so on. I read an article recently that Houston has the most diversified group of restaurants of any city in the country - more than NYC or SF. That's because we accept people from anywhere and they continue to come. Mostly to work in oil/gas, space, medical and so on. The restaurants needed to feed them follow. My point is there is no way someone who lives in Houston is going to have the same outlook as someone who lives in West Texas or even Dallas. It's just a completely different way of life and the divide is getting greater.

I still don't know what we do about those not on the coasts. No matter what Trump told them during the campaign I still don't see how they get their factories back and without their factories I don't see where they get much work.

turcopolier

GCP

Yes, the people who John Ford called "men in dirty shirt blue" have had a bellyful. I suspect that you will find Trump tp be a big surprise. pl

rjj
I still don't know what we do about those not on the coasts. No matter what Trump told them

interesting wording. cosmopolitans often have an overly parsimonious idea of diversity.

Next big thing in indigenous cuisine be hot roast beef sandwich food trucks.

Jack

GCP

"I still don't know what we do about those not on the coasts. No matter what Trump told them during the campaign I still don't see how they get their factories back and without their factories I don't see where they get much work."

There are no magic wands. And it's going to take a while to reverse 30 years of dismantling our industrial base and shipping it overseas. But...IMO, a good first step would be start reverse the financialization of our economy and to vigorously enforce Robinson-Patman.

Babak Makkinejad

I think you will be surprised at the low standard of living that many middle class people are experiencing in Brooklyn, in Bay Area, in Boston, and such.

I heard that 700,000 government workers in New York city are on food stamps.

The coastal area may have benefited from a macro-economic perspective but when you look at the micro-level, it is an all together different story; in my opinion.

The chief division, it seems to me, is between the culturally cosmopolitan and the not so. Many of the cosmopolitans are indeed now on their way to lower middle class (or already there) in spite of their expensive college educations - or may be because of it.

The cosmopolitans suffer from a number of phobias; among them fear of absence of concrete and asphalt, or weapons, and of opposing view point.

Babak Makkinejad

You stated: "Attraction is't a choice but a biological attraction..."

That is not a factual statement.

There are counter examples of married women with children, of married men with children - many cases of AC-DC.

Hetero female -> Lesbian -> Nympho -> Married

Hetero Male -> Gay -> Hetero Male

Those who are bisexual, in my opinion, are those that suffer the most - not being able to maintain a stable psyche.

kao_hsien_chih

No. Not at all surprising. The alleged "far" left, or more accurately, the populist left, has been talking to the Deplorables and indeed include a significant number of "Deplorables" themselves. Good for them and the country that they are getting the spotlight. Trump election could be the best thing that has happened to the Democrats since FDR.

kao_hsien_chih

Babak is right. Votes for Trump went up dramatically compared to Romney in such places like Brooklyn or Staten Island. Trump might not have turned Connecticut or New Jersey red, but he was far more competitive with the blue collar folk in "bicoastal" regions than Romney ever did. Where he did lose votes are places like Dallas, among the wealthy Republican suburbanites. The "bicoastal" places are not nearly as "bicoastal" as people who are upscale think they are. To paraphrase Tonto from Lone Ranger, one might almost hear "Who do you mean us, liberal man?" I'm not trying to mock anyone--just that the divides are not nearly as clean cut as one thinks.

Trump was right to channel the spirit of Lincoln's second inaugural. To bind up the wounds of the nation, to care for those who have become dispossessed in our obsession with Progress, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves, indeed (my rewording of Lincoln, not Trump's).

kao_hsien_chih

To be honest, I imagine that from the perspective of the white people (sorry, I have to go there), people like me, whose ancestors come from abroad, might be the "interesting" people with different outlooks on life, but to me, the most interesting people I met were in Decatur, Ames, Raleigh, Fayetteville (AR), Richmond, Natchitoches, Tyler (TX), Gettysburg, Baton Rouge, and Minden (LA)--more South than not, but that's because of my travel patterns, I guess. I never did quite understand the sense among the city folk that the country folk are monolithic and uninteresting, and, well, I did spend some time ranting about feeling like I'm being put in a box by usually well-meaning (but not always) but off-putting and presumptuous (white) city folk.

gowithit

Not to "rain on the parade", though, Trump appears to be already backsliding on his MANY REPEATED pronouncements: Now not supporting Israeli capitol move to Jerusalem, as he promised; Keeping the Iran Nuke deal in place, just "police it better" (was gonna rip it up!"); Not gonna "drain DC swamp" of lobbyists as he promised (see NY Times below).
What's next, the Mex Wall to fall before even put up? Tax cuts for middle class gone, while making big corp tax cuts?

turcopolier

gowuthit

Sounds good to me. pl

Babak Makkinejad

I think European-American is a better substitute for "white people"; after all, "Han" means "White People" as well.

kao_hsien_chih

CSU and CDU never competed against each other except in the very first set of elections under the Federal Republic. Since 1990s, the Gruenen and the SPD have been developing a similar relationship, at least at the federal level, and a less obv one between CSU/CDU and the FDP--except for the implosion of the latter. My understanding is that die Linke does not really count since they are not coalitionable with anyone. So the two stable blocks--SPD and CSU/CDU, plus their formerly two potential coalition partners, the Gruenen and the FDP (if the latter still existed) make for 2+2. Recent upheavals in German electoral politics has been throwing me through a loop, though.

rjj

go wit hit -

more important than backsliding about which we can not know for sure at this time: rumor has it he bought this for $900K from one of his supporters and is having it fitted to wear at the inauguration ceremony.

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GulfCoastPirate

turcopolier wrote:

' I suspect that you will find Trump tp be a big surprise. '

I hope so.

GulfCoastPirate

kao_hsien_chih wrote:

' I never did quite understand the sense among the city folk that the country folk are monolithic and uninteresting,'

I never said any such thing. You've been to Baton Rouge and Minden? I love Louisiana. There is no better food in the world (although I still make better gumbo - :) We go to Lake Charles and New Orleans frequently. We go to small towns all over Texas for festivals, etc. My point is every time you go to these places you can see they are going down and they have no idea how they are going to come back. Will Trump have the answer after lying to them? Of course not.

GulfCoastPirate

Babak Makkinejad wrote:

'I think you will be surprised at the low standard of living that many middle class people are experiencing in Brooklyn, in Bay Area, in Boston, and such.'

No, I wouldn't but what is your point? The coastal areas are still in better shape than the areas in the central sections of the country.

GulfCoastPirate

rjj wrote:

'interesting wording. cosmopolitans often have an overly parsimonious idea of diversity.'

Good grief. We = everyone in US. It's a blog where people discuss their opinions. DO you want to nitpick over every word and how I may write something or do you have a specific point you would like to make.

Fred

Babak,

Are any or all of the Gulf State leaders anti-Western bigots?

Fred

GCP,

"...additional electoral votes which also warps the representation of individuals in the electoral college."

You got that wrong. The Senate count makes them all equal. How many congressional seats do CA, TX, or NY have as a result of legal and illegal immigrants residing in there? That also makes the EC votes higher for those states since the census count applied to congressional and electoral college representation doesn't rest on citizens alone. Seems a whole lot of Americans are getting separate but equal proportional representation.

Fred

gowithit,

And on 60 minutes tonight no mention of "lock her up". He didn't even bit on the bait about FBI director Comey. Of course he is going to wait until he's in office since he has no executive power until January.

Babak Makkinejad

Only on the aggregate...

And Austin is more livable than anywhere within 70 miles of Central Park.

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