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turcopolier

Seacoaster

They have an additional problem in that the IDF has no career combat arms NCOs. pl

The Twisted Genius

oofda,

I'm glad you brought up the problem of overloading infantry. It's a serious problem. I'm from the generation where a buttpack on your web gear sufficed for carrying your stuff. Ammo and weapon comprised the majority of the load and strict fire discipline helped to ease the ammo requirement. Body armor seems to a minimal requirement today. The only armor we carried was the steel pots on our heads. The loads I've seen carried by our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are ridiculous. Contrast that with the loads carried by the YPG/YPJ units.

turcopolier

TTG

I was an O-2 but I had been a rifle platoon leader for two years. I was definitely the junior guy among the officers in my training detachment. As you say we had foreign officers in the course, Vietnamese, Italian, Greek, Iranian. Those are the ones I remember. There were two USMC as well. pl

The Twisted Genius

pl,

On our team alone we had a big, bold, burly Spaniard who always carried a field expresso maker, two Malaysian scout-trackers and a Tunisian who badly wanted us to take out Gaddafi because his shenanigans ruined his Summer every year. The other three teams had their own foreign officers, but I don't remember where they came from.

LeaNder

AEL, I vaguely considered that option around the Abu Graib scandal. ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Karpinski

I have no doubt others did too.

LeaNder

Pat, no discussion on the issue. Pretty peculiar in fact.

Patrick Bahzad

Lars,

"combat is a nasty exercise, but history shows it becomes more and more mechanized over time", really ? Guess it is true, except when it isn't.
Ask the Izzies about their experience with the "plasma warrior" syndrom, or the French with their "playstation generation".
Certain environments will NEVER be mechanized, period. There's plenty of evidence to back this up, but nuf' said already.

Patrick Bahzad

Lars,

Just a little crash course in "modern warfare": considering the % of the world's population living in cities (which is higher than ever before and still climbing), considering the difficulties inherent to urban combat for a technologically superior force, considering the increasingly asymetrical nature and hybrid nature of warfare in a number of areas in the world, considering the average distance between opposing fighters in urban environments, etc., considering all of the above, you really believe "facing the enemy close up" is going to disapear anytime soon ?
As for knowing the places, how would you be able to assess how much they know ? You also fluent in pashto ? farsi ? arabic ? tamazigh ? somali or oromo ?

Patrick Bahzad

AEL,

"they (female COs) have to motivate their troops and having a deep wellspring of personal drive makes that job much easier". You sure we're talking abt combat arms here or is this statement a copy/paste from the corporate world ? Honestly, I have trouble understanding it, if we are indeed talking abt combat arms in a professional military.

Degringolade

My God...Did we look that young?

Seacoaster

None? Wow. I guess I had heard that though, that officers have to do a lot of sergeant-level tasks, but I guess it didn't fully register. I guess they have that in common with the Arabs then.

Seacoaster

Why does Canada have women in the infantry but not in the NHL?

Because the Canadians take hockey seriously.

Seacoaster

While we're on the subject sir, do you buy the argument that Occupied Territory policing duties have degraded the IDF substantially from its Six Day War peak?

Seacoaster

The Rifle Platoon Combat Load OEF XII linked here lays it out well:
https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/soldier-combat-loads-in-the-21st-century.250/

McGee

Agree totally Pat! Certainly didn't mean to imply anything else. (no need to post this)
Best, John

Tyler

I don't even recognize the Army anymore since I left it. More fever dreams about "equality" and enablers like Lars always chiming in with "war won't be so personal anymore" (shots fired at them: 0).

How many men are going to have to die cause GI Barbie wanted to play infantry and can't drag a troop weighing 250+ in full battle rattle out of fire? But hey, I'm sure we will certainly see less fraternization.

Aside: Every unit has to relearn soldier's load when it deploys. I remember when we arrived in Afghanistan in 03, the 10th Mountain who were showing us around went on patrol with ammo, water, batteries and kept it light. Meanwhile we wanted to have packing lists with three different bags until our first big op when you had something like 20 casualties across a company from guys hiking up icy goat trails at night with an 80lb ruck and falling off the mountain.

turcopolier

Seacoaster

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/07/the-idf-ground.html

In addition to that, Israeli society has profoundly changed in such a way that they no longer possess the kind of men who fought in '67. What their infantry is good at now is abusing Palestinians at roadblocks. This is now the era of the Gucci Israelis rather than the kibbutznik generation.

Seacoaster

Sir, thank you. I should have checked your archives first.

Seacoaster

General Barrow, CMC, stated it plainly: If the 1st Marine Division had been 15% female (General Dempsey's stated goal) at Chosin, "I do believe Kim Il-Sung would have been presiding over my bones."

mike allen

General Barrow knew what he was talking about. I was lucky enough to serve during the time General Barrow was CMC. He was one of our best IMHO. He was a Mustang and before being sent to OCS he did time as a drill instructor at MCRD San Diego. His obituary is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/01/washington/01barrow.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Interesting about the letter that General Barrow wrote to Caspar Weinberger regarding American troops in Lebanon being shot at by IDF troops. That got ignored and disappeared down a rathole unfortunately.

I always wondered whether the architect of the Pentagon had gone to LSU and seen Pentagon Barracks there? Barrow had worked there as janitor and waiter to earn his tuition and board & keep.


aleksandar

I agree, in afgha, body armor was 22 kg, add ammo ( 12 magazines for rifle + 6 for pistol ) and all the stuff, nearly...450 kg.
Taliban where chamois in mountains, we where turtle.

Women as platoon leader are not so bad, but we experienced problems in our Army. Most of the time they want to be better than men and put too much pressure on theirs soldiers and NCO;
I remenber an entire platoon in Bosnia soldiers and NCO, going to ask the compagnie commander to be transferred to another squad or company.
There is no women in SF, partly because the risk for them if being captured.

mike allen

ooops - board and keep only. There was no tuition back in the thirties and forties for LSU. Huey Long may have been a crook, but at least he gave poor Louisianans a free college education.

Fred

Tyler,

We're gonna have to draft Barbie and Ken and the rest of the rainbow flag generation as they aren't signing up. The one's pushing the policy are, to use rjj's phrase, the "rainbow guard of our own cultural revolution".

aleksandar

well............45 kg
Sorry

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