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10 November 2016

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FourthAndLong

Seems to me Shelly and the Ziocons own him lock stock and barrel. But I've been wrong before. They are something like the Borg in that resistance is futile. J

FourthAndLong

That it is. But medical care has always been for the priveleged historically. Emergency care and first aid excepted. Believing politicians actually care about the public is sort of like thinking parents will be around forever to look out for you, or worse. Egotist desire for a legacy is the best bet.

FourthAndLong

Soon to be the emperor Nero administration? Just kidding but for the people looking to do him in, what a clever idea. If he starts with that stuff he will be toast in no time.

different clue

Anna,

Madame Secretary had always been aGAINST single payer. I remember her saying near the start of this campaign something like " whatever system of health care we have will HAVE to have Private Insurance at the very core."

different clue

Anna,

Then again, perhaps Adelson will discover himself to have been a strung-along. Time will tell.

sillybill

KHC,
Yes, Trump is the legit POTUS - just as Obama was before him.
People are mad because when the blah guy was elected, it was the Repub side saying that not only was his presidency not legit but he wasn't even an American. And they even said "He's not my president". Remember the "Kenyan, socialist, muslim, usurper"?
And the little cherry on top is that Trump was one of the lead 'birthers'.
So it's possible that some lefties will be bent for a while about certain hypocrites. They'll calm down after a while. Hopefully then we can get around to dismantling the Democratic party and building a tool more appropriate for the job.
On a lighter note, I think Bill Clinton will end up being Trumps favorite ex pres advisor. They'll hang out in the warroom drinking Scotch and moaning about their wives and the Israelis.

FourthAndLong

Makes sense. I thought the 8 year pattern (8 years of one Pres implies next Pres is from other party except for 1988 and FDR) was, so compelling that any decent political scientist might have been surprised if the Republican did Not win. But we we're told the R was Trump, a manifest Bozo, and thus it could not happen. But Brexit wasn't supposed to happen either. Zillions of people have been shafted over the last decades and hatred for their leaders (who actually called them deplorable, right to their faces in front of God & everyone). . . . The elite became jackasses in addition to ruthless tyrants hovering up all created wealth if financial manipulation can be called creation. Maybe Trump intuited or fathomed all of that Zeitgeist, who knows, but he must have known he had a damn good chance if he could win the nomination if even a nitwit like me, can see a simple pattern like that. Those other rubrics are fascinating. I suspected there were more patterns to be discerned.

kooshy

Here is the link on email I got from the pathetic Move On,

http://act.moveon.org/event/Solidarity_gatherings/?source=couragecampaign

Edward Amame

Col Lang

The guy who ghost-wrote his book "the Art of the Deal" said Trump had no attention span and little curiosity. The accountant who did his taxes said it was Ivana who asked all the questions. So no, I don't KNOW that, I just SUSPECT that. And to answer your last question, I'm a grown up, so hell to the no.

Edward Amame

Col Lang

What's triangulating gonna get him? The GOP's already wary of him. Why alienate them further? They have all the power. They can shoot down any deal they don't like. Compromising with the Dems is not how the GOP does biz and the Dems can't stand him. That would leave him a president without a base of support.

And what exactly would he be going to the Dems to get? A wall? Tax cuts for the rich? More $$$ for the military? Term limits? A hiring freeze to reduce the federal workforce?

Bryn P

Isn't it wonderful how the Remoaners here in the UK and the Clintonistas over there are so unwilling to accept that they lost both the elections. Do they believe, like the bureaucrats in the EU, that a democratic decision by their electorates should only apply when THEY win and that the vote should be re-run until the "right" decision is reached?

hans

Trump's one of the cleverest guys to come down the road in quite a while; he was picking up on the troubles of the middle class at least 20 - 25 years ago. Anybody developing real estate at his level would've been blind not to catch it.

Somewhere along the way - maybe after his 3rd or 4th billion - he got bored with it and got distracted into reality tv. And his RT experience taught him a lot: he learned how to turn on an audience, and keep 'em turned on for years. The more outrageous he was the better his ratings. When he got bored w that what next? He was in a wonderful position - the perfect position - to become the ultimate outsider. Tons of money and access to the best brand marketers.

And his audience, now called constituents, had grown enormously - every turn of the corporate screw created more. And nobody was doing a damn thing for any of them; instead the pols who should've been helping had joined up with the guys sticking it to 'em.

Watching him go all politically incorrect was to watch a thing of beauty - every time he let a good one fly the media dolts started sputtering like wet hens. But he amused them so they gave him endless coverage. The worse the gaffe, the more airtime.

But those gaffes were calculated - he did the thing a 1,000 guys wished they had the guts to do, and they love him for it.

The other benefit was the media thought him totally daft, like some lout who went out in public and scratched his hemorrhoids with a potato brush and howled - hey, this guy ain't serious. So he kept building his appeal among the Deplorables. Under the radar.

A while back he showed up in Detroit at the Detroit Economic Club and harangued a roomful of auto execs, Ford's among them, and told the Ford execs point-blank if they moved a plant to Mexico he'd slap on a helluva tariff and nobody would buy their cars. Nothing like that had ever happened before. And before the day was out every working stiff in the country knew about it. And the rest as is said is history.

I'm not sure what he plans to do, but nobody should underrate him. I think we'll have a very interesting few years ahead. Think I'll invest in popcorn.

r whitman

Are you an ACA participant?? There you go with the cost again. Forget the crooked government costs. The ACA people have health care which they did not have before. Several small businesses that I know have sent their employees to the ACA for health insurance and subsidize their premiums instead of screwing with insurance companies.

You need to divorce actual health care from the cost of health care. Health care is beneficial and in some cases curative. The cost is a racket like most government subsidy programs

fjdixon

Documentation:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/11/trump-woolsey-was-there-a-bait-and-switch/

Huntly

"Why would Trump not make a deal with the Democrats to get what he wants and needs?"
Flawed as it is, any Democrat who works with Trump to gut the ACA should be run out of office. We've had 4+ years of GOP obstructionism, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

turcopolier

Huntly

Your assumption that he will want to "gut" the ACA is unjustified until you see what he proposes. As for the rest that is merely revenge at the expense of the Republic. This is not a game. pl

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