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11 November 2016

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steve

What we also know is that when he gets in trouble he declares bankruptcy. I don't really think that there is an equivalence in government. He also had the ability to fire people with his businesses. He is going to find out they every Congressman and Senator also won their own races. They don't work for him. We also know that when he didn't want to pay people, he entangled them in lawsuits. Again, he won't be able to do this in govt. We also know that when he has ventured outside of real estate, he hasn't been that successful. So, while his skills may translate into good leadership in govt, there are a lot of reasons to suspect they won't.

Query- I have tried to think of successful businessmen who have done well in govt. Cant think of many. Romney of course, and many have been named to cabinet positions. Who else?

Steve

ked

Hoover?
As to Scott Adams wisdom... that's what America needs in the WH - an experimentalist w/o experience (but a short attention span), surrounding himself with similarly well-informed, well-adjusted senior executives.

English Outsider

Thanks. Bad mistake.

So glad you agree. I meet few who do.

Jack

The fact is none of us know how he'll perform. Maybe he is another Obama that accomplished nothing for his Democrat base even with a Democrat majority in Congress and turned out to be fully bought and paid for by Wall St and coopted by the Borg. Or maybe not. He has the same opportunity as Obama did with a GOP majority in Congress. We'll know the score card in 2 years. I know you'll whine when he and the Republicans enact their agenda which will not comport with your leftist thinking.

I voted for Trump and I'll be very satisfied if all he accomplishes is keep us out of a shooting match with the Russians. OTOH, no matter what he accomplishes guys like you will keep sniping and foaming in the mouth because you detest the man. Your team blew it as millions that supported you guys 4 years ago abandoned your Borg Queen this week. Better to reflect on that.

Jack

The Hillary campaign blared your exact message from the ramparts. And they had a big megaphone of big media, the pundits, the establishment of both parties and all the big money from Wall St to Hollywood. The voters that supported him and those that abandoned her didn't really care. They're giving the deplorable man a chance.

ked

Jack, I've noted among others these days - in personalizing a critique they make gross assumptions about the pov of people they don't know. I consider that a form of generalization that weakens one's argument... even as it discourages dialog (though it is itself sometimes revealing... "sniping & foaming" , "I know you'll whine"). ... It seems common these days. In people whom I do know well, I find that pattern be associated with some other characteristic - typically an insecurity over command of facts combined with the mode of personalizing all kinds of disputes. Since I do not participate on SST in order to make personal points vs other posters, but rather about the affairs and actors of the Nation & its place in the world, you won't find me responsive to personalized assessments such as you have made, linking me to positions or groups that I do not identify with... like those in your post that start "You..." & "Your...", even (especially!) when in error.

different clue

Piotr,

Since we all benefit from the elimination of jihadista terrorists, the elimination of them from Syria is beneficial to us as well as to Russia. So even if we didn't get Russia to "pay us" something for this policy shift, virtue is its own rich reward in this case.

Jack

ked

"in personalizing a critique they make gross assumptions about the pov of people they don't know"

I have read your posts on SST and the POV thereof. Of course I could be wrong if what you post does not reflect your POV, but some imaginary character.

Sam Peralta

ked, You can sneer at Scott Adams' wisdom all you want. At least he understood what was going on and in the Summer of 2015 predicted that Trump would win the Republican nomination and the presidency and why!

Where was your wisdom??

Earthrise

Dear Host, Deep State is not as sinister as it sounds. All it represents is the apparatus of State which does not change between administrations. Mainly the bureaucracy (military and civilian), plus embedded actors like lobbyists, media barons, financial oligarchs, tenured professors and ruling class actors like Bolton and Wolfowitz. And as you say, yourself and other real-world participants who have an ongoing effect on government policy. In the end, the deepest State is the sovereign will of the People; slow to anger but Earth-shaking when roused.

Mishkilji

He made but one promise: Make America Great Again

The rest is a mishmash

A summary is below

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

The question I have is whether this obsfuscation is deliberate on Trump's part or does he simply think out loud.

Cee

Sorry. Edmonds mentions Denny Hastert, Bob Creamer...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XMoejT3lKs

Fnord73

Thats where your cost/efficiency calculator should click in. Is it better to have them as a militia in Syria, or to have them dispersed and on the desperate run across the world?

turcopolier

Fnord73

What makes you think they can't do both? The amount of resources needed for international terrorist ops is fairly trivial. pl

Fnord73

My friends in the baltic countries are not so happy. Remember how they contributed in both Af/Pak and IRaq?

Fnord73

I think "Lets give the Middle East to Putin" is a pretty smart move. We in the west should be joyous that he goes in. (We should hold training exercises for the russian infantry on how to avoid civilian casualties, though).

Fnord73

I will remember those words when the tactical nuke falls on Raqqa.

turcopolier

Fnord73

You are new here. SST is a serious place for serious but not solemn people. It is not a place for posting comments that are irresponsible imaginings about "tactical nukes' in Syria, Iraq, or anywhere else. Also, don't get in the habit of send me half a dozen snippets a day. pl

Fnord73

A totaly unqualified boss. It will be interesting, in the chinese sense of that words meaning.

turcopolier

Fnord73

Would you say that A. Lincoln was "qualified" to be president? pl

Fnord73

" The consensus of the bien pensants and the politicians alike is that no less a figure than the President-elect of the United States is racist, economically illiterate, vindictive, and a buffoon. Plus just about anything else that can be fished out of the dregs of that American campaign – homophobic, populist (how did that get to be an insult?), misogynistic, anti-Semitic, the lot."

Lets break that down. He is a racist to a certain extent, in the New York sense, he doesnt hate the others but he talks about the blacks. Economicaly illiterate remains to be seen, his plans for "The Wall" is not doable. Vindictive is a proven fact, still hunts enemies. Buffoon? Time will tell.

He is not homophobic, his best friend is the bi swinger ----------------. But the defense of the Baltic states is what is up now. They *contributed*.

turcopolier

Fnord73

This is a US site not a Baltic States site. Perhaps the Baltic states made a bad bet in signing up for NATO. Russia is next door. The US is far away. I wouldn't give one American soldier's life for the Baltics. pl

Fnord73

Sort of , yes, he was a lawyer wasnt he? But he made something fine. Donald Trump has Steve BAnnon and Mike Pence as wingmen, they are fascists. This is the new age of hate.

(Does mentioning central players by name break this sites politics?)

turcopolier

Fnord73

Are you an American? you don't know that Lincoln was a corporate lawyer who lobbied for the Illinois Central Rairoad in the state legislature. that was his core business. He had one term in congress and was defeated for re-election. The politics of this site? Listen to me you little shit. You do not slander people on my site. I don't care what party they are. you are banned from SST. pl

LeaNder

the term fascist is pretty overused. Most people are complex, they may have some type of basic ideological basis. But beyond that they have to make in their own subjective limited ways sense of a pretty complex context. Thus none of us may be really safe from being called a fascist at one point or the other in their life. I know, since I was called one once. Pretty surprising at the time. The author of the statement, has forgotten it long ago. Not me though. ;)

On the other hand, I did occasionally walk out of cacophonous choirs. Which might well show I have a basic level of distrust in basic democracy? How did I decide it was cacophony. As a rule the people that have the least to say or add are the most outspoken, just like babbling me.

Fnord73, are you new here? Somewhat tracing the Illuminati or other possible suspects? Fnord? Is 73 what it seems to be?

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