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21 November 2016

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Tyler

Pitch Pole,

Yeah, your CTR hasbara ain't getting through. No kidding.

Because what HE said and what you are INSISTING he said are two different animals.

Did they cut rates over there or is Paymaster Soros paying more for this stuff?

mike allen

A noble animal. But then we as a species will eat anything in a pinch. I did try a sliver or raw horsemeat in Gotemba City near Camp Fuji. I was not starving, was just responding to a bet after too much suntory whisky. Lots of Korean exiles around Gotemba, so I'm not sure if that was a Japanese dish or Korean.

turcopolier

mike allen

Did you like dog meat any better? I ate a lot of dog and rat with my Montagnard brethren. I recommend "well done." pl

Pitch Pole

Again with the CTR hasbara - you're a consistent if anything. You clearly have nothing to argue beyond infantile name calling. I'll let you prattle on in the threads, engaging with trolls is waste of valuable mental energy...

But let's set a mark - when would be a good time to come back to watch your well done meal of crow? Shall we say in the first 100 days if Trump doesn't give full throated support to his AG prosecuting HRC? Or when the first Goldman Sachs finance insider gets a cabinet post? The wall doesn't get started 100 days form inauguration? ACA should be repealed in the first month, yes? Two years from now I'm sure you'll be able to provide ample evidence of the boom of manufacturing jobs (not infrastructure jobs, mind you - real low skill metal bending jobs in high numbers).

Don't worry, you can be thankful for your upcoming meal - if you don't get served, it will be even worse.

Pitch Pole

They can be dumb as a post and way more trouble than they're worth. But fun to hack through the woods at speed... Not sure I'd like eat one; would they taste like wild game I wonder?

Babak Makkinejad

I find that hard to believe.

Seems to me that the local state politicians - from whichever party - have a life-long ambition to assume a Federal Post. Do they care about the state from which they hail?

I mean, why don't the states try to implement some of these needed changes and reforms in the United States themselves.

Let us say universal health care + security in old age + excellence in infrastructure + excellence in education?

I am not here discussing the costs only the effort to create such environments.

I mean, many US states are already requiring people to carry extra car insurance.

They could require everyone to participate in the Universal Health Care System of that state as well.

Overtime, those who wish to live well and in decent places, will go to states that provide such an environment.

Those who do not wish to pay the costs of such policies, could stay in their Prairie Purgatories or Urban Jungles; whichever be the case.

And let us not forget the Association of Dope Smoking States - a.k.a. Freedonia.


turcopolier

Pitch Pole

"fun to hack through the woods at speed..." Great way for you or the horse to lose an eye. pl

Tyler

PP,

Because you ARE a Hasbara CTR shill, with the same script, the same nonsensical talking points, the same crying about mean words as you passive aggressively respond.

No one is insisting this is anything but a long slog, and the fact you tie everything back to "100 days!" shows that you're either being disingeneous, you're unable to grok the work ahead, or both.

You are obviously unable to accept the results of the election, so you have to make seven leaps of logic that one would expect from a psychopath to continue to ignore the huge, heaping portion of crow on your own plate regarding the election that's not barely two weeks old.

Eat up, and then we'll talk.

Pitch Pole

True enough - only do it on well tended trails.

Origin

It is fair for the Committee to have some background about my principals.

I am still a full-time lawyer, not retired. A white, Methodist, from a Scotts family that arrived in the South via Dutch New Netherlands when it was still frontier wilderness. I was reared in the near suburbs of Atlanta near Emory U. I posted more details on the Origin post about free speech.

I post to get my mind away from petulant clients and pesky lawyer opponents and hopefully, to do some good by wrestling with ideas. There is a lot to learn from this Committee of Correspondence.

Pitch Pole

Ah Ty - I see you're getting upset. Nope, not a hasbara shill, never met soros, not the same talking points, not a democrat or even very much a fan of the party. Just another citizen looking for more than invective and uninformed bile - a waste of time expecting more from a web troll. I'll be back to remind you, whether it's 100 days or 2 years or 4 years, not a problem. Time frame is irrelevant, his results will be the judge. And mind no dodge like "he doesn't really have that power or congress didn't cooperate or gravity kept holding objects to the surface of the earth" - that hedge won't fly.

As for what I'm doing, I'm listening to what he's saying right now - that's the only basis for judging him at this point. You're one of the few who seem to believe you have some magical window into the future and his actions in it. Never fear, being bitterly disappointed is all part of the education of many young bucks. Until it's time to serve a meal of crow, I'll go back to ignoring childish name calling. You could always decide to engage in actual discourse and treating the readers here with some modicum of civility, that would be truly refreshing.

Pitch Pole

Or Crane's beach in the off season. Awesome.

Tyler

PP,

"You're upset, I'm not upset!" - Projection
"I'm just another citizen" - Lie
The rest of it - Doubling down (sextupling down at this point in your case?)

I like the false play for "muh civil discourse" when all you've done is put on a passive aggressive swish act. No one is under any obligation to be civil with a propaganda shill.

This your third "I'm not responding!" post. I await with baited breath your next serving of lies, projection, and doubling down.

Nancy K

Pitch Pole really did state the obvious well. As a psych nurse of many years I quickly learned you cannot argue with a delusional person.

turcopolier

Nancy K

IMO you have to be careful about arguing that your political opponents are "delusional,": i.e., psychiatrically ill. That path can lead to disenfranchisement for medical reasons and commitment of opponents to mental hospitals. We have seen this done for many years in the former USSR where opponents were routinely classified as "delusional." pl

Nancy K

I am not saying those who disagree with my politics are mentally ill. What I am saying is that those who are so entrenched in their perspective that they cannot even listen to rational dialogue, then to attempt a reasonable discussion with them is as futile as trying to argue with a delusional person.

Tyler

Nancy,

Talk about lack of self awareness.

Tyler

Nancy,

Delusional: Having been totally wrong the last year + and insisting that your reality is the correct one.

Again, with the lack of introspection.

Eric Newhill

James, Not really tooting my horn here, but I am a data guy (an actuary) as a career and I am on the record here and elsewhere saying that the election polling was wrong; wrong as wrong can be. I told Kao he was full of it and some others here jumped in and said I was crazy, literally. So Kao's hedging and hmm-ing and hawing are kind of silly. I normally like what Kao has to say, but I thought he had lost his marbles in defending the polling. It was that obvious to me - not because I'm so smart, but because anyone who works within the data analysis field should know better. I often fail to recognize how otherwise capable and intelligent people are dazzled by fundamentals defying BS.

Tyler is obviously a very intelligent and perceptive young man. He grasped the fundamentals and did not succumb to the razzle dazzle. Good on Tyler, shame on Kao and others. Not succumbing to razzle dazzle is at least 3/4 of the battle in these matters.

Eric Newhill

Origin,
As one who lives in fly-over country, who's neighbors are all farmers and who does a little farming on the side himself, IMO, you are lost in some post-modern fantasy world.

The big coastal cities produce nothing fundamental to life. Basically, they create "financial instruments", toys/games/entertainment and brokers deals (traders). The wealth in concentrated in the hands of the few who are successful in inserting themselves into other people's lives and business. Everyone else in the big cities services these few very wealthy elites.

None of that is critical to life. Fly over country could exist on its own. Sure, if they divorced themselves from the coastals, they might not have the latest and greatest wiz bang ipad gizmo, but such things provide little, if any, marginal value.

OTOH, the coastals would, literally, starve to death without what is produced by the fly-overs. Or are you so far removed from reality that you think food comes from the grocery store and the local restaurant and energy from the gas station? You are assuming some kind of incalculably massive self-evident value inherent in what the bi cities produce and, in reality, it just isn't there.

Eric Newhill

Pitch Pole,
For an entire year I listened to what Trump was saying at his rallies and in interviews and then I'd listen to the media's reportage on the same event. Do I even need to say that every time the media twisted, took out of context and outright lied?

But now the media is getting it right? Man, you gotta be kidding me.

Eric Newhill

Pitch Pole,
They taste pretty good, actually. Judicious application of horse radish (no pun intended) and Worcestershire sauce, mushrooms and onions. Think of venison w/o the gaminess and sweeter.

Around here, when an old fox hunter (horse) dies, tradition is that it is chopped up and fed to the hounds. However, there are also locals who eat horses. I'm a Thoroughbred race horse breeder on the side.

Origin

We are all interconnected. No part of the country can live as well as we do without the other parts. I clearly admitted part of your point. Yes, that movement of resource wealth does subsidize the coast. Its the profits, not the government transfers that do it. That transfer goes mostly to a few families. http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html


Without the fly-overs, the Coastal would not starve to death, they would grab what is in the middle, or import it. The Coastals do produce a lot of real value to the flyovers and a surprising amount of food too. The eastern coastal plain is quite fertile.

The thing is that if we divide ourselves, and get to fighting, the Coastals have more power just like the North had more power than the south in the Civil War. And, like back then, such a struggle would be a terrible tragedy.

The Trumpsters have people focusing on the red-herrings in a divide and conquer game.

We here in the US have a problem with concentration of wealth and power. That concentration is the fault of both parties and especially, the Republicans. Why in the world any working class person would think Trump, a multi-billionaire will help him de-concentrate power in the US is simply beyond comprehension. Does anyone think that the Justice Department will ever break up the monopolies? Trump's tax cuts for corporations will just enable more concentration of wealth outside of the taxable sphere. Trump's multi-billionaire pick for Education Secretary wants to take control of education out of the local political control and privatize it so that huge corporations can take over the schools like they have with privatized prisons. Ryan's health care plan wants to take Medicare, a pretty good program, and turn it into a voucher program that requires everyone to sign up with an investment house for their health savings plan. The same with Social Security. The infrastructure building plan is essentially a plan to sell the commonwealth and institute tolls of an equivalent for use or access to the property of the commonwealth we now use for free as our birthright. None of that will help the regular Deplorable or Coaster.

Don't fight the Coasters. I doesn't matter if they are black, brown, gay, or weird in other ways that offend you. The great majority share common interests with you. Fight those who would further concentrate the wealth of the nation in the few and who would seek to take the common wealth of the communities and make it their own!

Nancy K

I agree that I thought Clinton would win, that does not make me delusional, just wrong.

Eric Newhill

Origin,
We will just have to agree to disagree on most of what you said in response. The coastals producing food are not the city dwellers we are discussing. And yeah, go ahead. Import your food. $20 gallon of milk?

However, I am taking special note of this, "Don't fight the Coasters. I doesn't matter if they are black, brown, gay, or weird in other ways that offend you" - they started the fight. They tell us we are "deplorable". They tell us we must think exactly like them and accept all they do or suffer. They tell us to live in guilt with our heads hung low because of our "privilege" and the "sins" of our ancestors (slavery, Native American land theft, etc). They tell us that a guy who gets drunk and kills someone in a car crash is hero because he wears a dress and lipstick and wants to cut off his penis. They want to take our jobs and businesses from us if we merely say something they don't approve of. They want to diminish us in every way possible; even our say in governmental affairs - and so much so that they are willing to import third world people from all over the globe to water down our demographic and take our jobs and keep us poor and powerless.

Are you so self-righteous that you are incapable of understanding that war was declared on us deplorables by the coastals and that for every action there is an equal and opposite? I think you do know this and are passive aggressively fighting for your side while attempting to disarm and flip people like me. Ain't working. Sorry.

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