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30 October 2016

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CK

There is no need to change the great compromise, the new imported populations will not be like the older residents of the empty states.

CK

Acres used to vote, prior to the 17th amendment, since then it is direct democracy.

CK

I am the one you refer to as a "Lying Bugger."
Here is the link to the 2012 data about the absolute decline in the number of whites in the USA.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/us/census-benchmark-for-white-americans-more-deaths-than-births.html?_r=1&
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population/cb13-112.html
Your data via Wikipedia is from the 2010 census.
Actually the "lying bugger" would have to be an arm of the US government ... but that is not news.

turcopolier

CK

"Race/Ethnic Group 2020 2030 2040 2050 2060
White 76.5% 74.7% 72.7% 70.8% 68.9%
Black 13.4% 13.7% 14.1% 14.4% 14.7%
American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut 1.3% 1.4% 1.4% 1.5% 1.5%
Asian and Pacific Islander 5.9% 6.6% 7.4% 8.0% 8.5%
Two or more races 2.9% 3.6% 4.4% 5.4% 6.4%
Hispanic (of any race) 19.1% 21.9% 25.0% 27.9% 30.6%
Non-Hispanic White 59.7% 55.5% 51.0% 46.6% 42.6%"

From the wiki on Race and demography in the US.

IMO the distinction between hispanic whites and other whites is artificial and will disappear. I believe that is what jonst was saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/census-hispanics-fuel-us-white-population-growth-173449405.html
pl

Fred

Federalism is moot? Each state still has equal representation in the Senate: Two each regardless of population. The 17th amendment allowed residents of the various states vote directly for the Senators rather than elected legislators. The replacement of Senators removed or died in office and the power of a particular state's governor to name a replacement is the major factor in the power shift of 17th amendment currently being debated. There is nothing requiring a primary election or restricting how a particular state may set such requirements. If a state legislator wanted to pass a bill stating that replacements could only be made from sitting members of that state’s legislature there’s nothing stopping them but perhaps their own state constitution.

The one Representative from Wyoming is in the House of Representatives, that is not the Senate. Similarly the proportion of Representatives in the House is determined by the population of persons, not citizens, in each state. Thus an illegal immigrant counts the same as a US Citizen. That lack of representative power in the House was debated by Lincoln-Douglass over a hundred years ago. How many extra congressman does California, New York or Texas gain from this? Who’s losing – states in the mid-West, New England and the South.

Don’t like McCain, you can always move to Arizona and run against him.

Tyler

I'm glad we can find some common ground, in that case.

Charles I

Philospers think, and may often opine dangerously close to the gibbet or bowl of hemlock but until that point afte free to have at it and each other like a pool of tenure track egomaniacs.

With ideologues its their psychosis and the dialectic in which the the black-and-white opposite/object must be destroyed. That brooks NO apostasy from an immutable given from the other, but offers a complete pass on fleshy deviance of the utile true believers, until the odd one hits a banana peel/cell phone and is sacrificed with unseemly hypocrisy and universal relish.

Charles I

It is the voodoo of attacking government then expanding it to use as poltical resource/capital syphon - corporate, well it hardly compares to welfare, lets call it funding our fellow travelers.

Whilst telling the rest of us to diminish expectations, (bright shiny 2.0, 4G credit trinkets aside!) from the government, look to yourself, state and and your church while we line up the big scam. Ask that think tank over there what's what. Or those other 50.

Presto! 30 year later you got Citizens United. The sunk capital of which has been long ago amortized, depreciated, deducted. Then funneled back to whomever the spells of the original voodoo were in fact legislated to benefit, a customer named, it now appears, unfettered global capital.

Teach a man to fish. . .but then decimate, concentrate, monopolize and privatize the few left a few generations hence.

Sell remaining fish, collect dividend, invest in luxury goods and war, and the soma black market.

Repeat.

Charles I

Would that human sentience was as rational and adherent to the prescribed laws of creation as the wire Mr. Ohm discovered resistance in, now dutifully doing your computing.

Charles I

Don't be so sure, there is no end of what can be outsourced to India, In Canada Banks are firing computing divisions after Indians are brought in to be trained in the work before it is shipped off for good. Canadian government abets and gives incentives expressly for it.

The university grads staffing our Stabucks and bookstores are now being displaced by low wage temporary work permit imports; the banks are no different, and at least can plead, "It's complicated"

Your last paragraph disregards historical context whatever statistical truths may underlie it.

If we'd all been born in a barren landlocked bumfuckville with no slaves, or been slaves and despised by better armed natives, eating that good old lead paint in our slums instead of that peeling latex out in the suburbs as a child, abandoned to our jobless addictions, why the local math and science, as it percolated through divinely created human beings, the math might add up a little different.

Or reveal you to be one of the more temporally, if not morally or spiritually, fortunate cohort of your birth year's global expression of sperm. One of few amongst millions, fated to fetch up with your mom's egg, delivering you the unorthodox upbringing you have lauded here previously, bitter as you are.

The lot of the poor, the marginalized and maligned, the few real evil shits aside, are a universal function of the system designed and run by capital apparently abetted by free will and the crapshoot of birth. You were or are part of the armed protection of the existing order, presented with people in crisis at their worst, and a few real shits. maybe some evil .They ARE bitter facts; surely not hateful. They are petty, admittedly insidious crimes, but the mass murderers, the black market allowers, the economic wreckers worthy of your bitter hate are in charge.

But they are in their turn as disposable as Mrs. Dean - until such time as they are physically need to man the bastions - by which time everyone's goose will be cooked.

I read your blog when you invited us to - the first article "Bitter". Your last paragraph called to my mind that and TTG's recent honorable offering here.

Charles I

It is not a fantasy and worse yet the politicians who set it up are almost guaranteed entry into the 1%, a status completely transmissible hereditable except for any but the most blatantly unsophisticated.

William R. Cumming

Interesting map! World events will make a mish mash of this by 2028 Presidential election when even Republicans and DEMS will probably be confined to the trashcan of history. Why?

First $700 Trillion in untaxed unregulated derivatives stalk the developed world's economic picture. When and where they will strike is unknown.

Second, by that date 50% of all residential Higher Ed students will be foreign nationals. 50% of Grad students in Science, Math, and Engineering are already.

Third, 75% of all college grads in the USA will be women.

Fourth, President Obama is secretly in love with secrecy and his ability to evade Congressional oversight and public criticism through secrecy.

Five! Single family residential housing will largely be available only to the top 25% by wealth in the USA which means much more foreign ownership of US housing including resident aliens.

Six! Something like the Marian Reforms of the 1st Century BCE will be needed to staff the US military. Even now non-citizens exceed over 5% of the Armed Forces.

Seven! The EU and Eurozone will have collapsed except as a destination resort for the top 5% of wealth holders world wide. The people of that area will be almost totally a service economy for those visitors and foreign residents.

Eight! Most of Siberia will be owned or occupied outright by the Germans or Chinese.

Nine! The Chinese condominium will be locked tight against the rest of the world even without military power. It will consist of the Koreas, Japan, Taiwan, Burma, Malaya, Indonesia, Australia, Phillipens, and Singapore.

Ten! The Chinese lobby will have opened the USA largely through technical changes in the US immigration law to almost wide open Chinese immigration for both education and permanent residency.

Eleven! The states will have been analyzed in detail by the MSM and academica and those with best {highest?} living standards will be the destination for the rest. Largely exploited the bottom 10-20 states will begin to look largely like the third world. Commodity production the main chore of these states including agricultural commodities.

Twelve! Those identified as culturally black in the USA will have been firmly relegated to the bottom of the heap since all efforts at affirmative action will have been eliminated by the growing Hispanic and Asian minorities.

Could be wrong as always.

Tyler

Can you summarize this and make it tangential to the matter at hand? If you're going for elegant it veered off into pomposity at about two and half paragraphs in. It seems like you were arguing blank slate theory for a bit, but I'm not sure where you were going with this.

Hope you're enjoying the blog - always good to get feedback from a reader.

Charles I

And yet your "state" is stealing your democracy with hundreds of millions watching without acting while a disproportionate % of your poor are shipped abroad to defend it for your oligarchs.

turcopolier

Charles I

"while a disproportionate % of your poor are shipped abroad to defend it for your oligarchs." Absolute BS. http://giftoffreedom.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/demographics-of-the-united-states-armed-forces/

The poor are under-represented in today's armed forces. The people in the ranks are very middle class. I thought you had gotten over the 60s lefty BS. pl

Tyler

Ah okay, you were responding to my initial offering, now that makes more sense. But I'm still not sure exactly what you're getting at, and it seems like you're off in Blank Slate Theory land.

How does my last paragraph disregard historical context? The Jews, the Chinese, the Irish, the Italians - all arrived here in a state of shock and disrepair, by and large but they've made it by any estimation.

The rest of your 'essay' (I'll be generous here) reads like a giant appeal to emotion. 'WHAT IF YOU WERE BORN IN SENEGAL HUH?!' Well no kidding, I'd probably want to leave. On the other hand, I'm not born in Senegal, and what ifs like that are better suited for 2am dorm room discussions, not matters of national policy. Your attitude is some sort of bizzaro world version of "White Man's Burden" through the lefty guilt filter.

As it is, I was not born in Senegal, or Mexico, but here, in the United States where my nominal loyalty lies. I assure you that while you may assume that I was part of the 'armed protection of the existing order', my reasons were more the same of young men throughout history. Your attempt to slur the Army is noted though.

I still stick to my original estimation that this goes for the high note but falls flat on its face quickly. While you might have the time and the comfort to pose these existential questions about 'the poor dears', many of us do not. This false piety while you wring your hands is nothing more than status seeking among those looking to be 'more pious than thou'.

Let's look at where we are now: the same forces that seek to turn America into a series of shattered states by flooding it with the Third World are also busy trying to bomb more Christians and their protectors in the Middle East on behalf of Muslim and Jewish states and enslaving us under a mountain of debt.

These interests are also involved in a protracted class war where anyone who deviates from the cult of equality/cultural marxist party line is quickly attacked on all fronts in short order. They enforce their deluded religion with a fervor not seen since Torquemada, yet constantly wrap themselves in the flag of the victim while insisting "one rule for me, another for thee".

This is the time to be bitter. This is the time to spit on your hands, raise a black flag, and begin to slit throats if I may quote Mencken. Making spurious claims to some sort of 'internet honor'? Well that's precious, but some of us have a future to change.

turcopolier

All

I found time to look at the white demographic data some more. White non-Hispanic (a largely meaningless term)deaths exceeded births by 10 or 15 thousand in the last year. This resulted from an aging population and a lower birth rate than other groups. Nonetheless, the white population grew as a result of immigration. pl

Fred

"The lot of the poor, the marginalized and maligned, the few real evil shits aside, are a universal function of the system designed and run by capital ...."

THe lot of the poor and marginalized has been crappy everywhere on Earth in every economic system designed by mankind. Too bad. That does not entail an obligation on the people and government of the United States to impoverish our own people.

If you don't like what the Canadian government is doing to your country and your people then change your government, don't bitch about mine.

jdledell

Pat - As time goes on it will be harder and harder to classify who is "white". The mixing of white, hispanic, asian and middle eastern blood seem to be accelerating. World travel has contributed to this but the world economic integration is an even bigger accelerator. In my own family none of my children married a caucasian. This is a result of my working and living in 7 different countries while they were growing up.

In my own expensive New Jersey suburb, while still overwhelming white, 8% are from India, another 6% are chinese, 4% hispanic etc. I was stunned to see this years Prom pictures and large number (compared to the past) of mixed race couples.

turcopolier

jdledell

My post was about politics and culture, not race. Others insisted that this was all about the decline of white people. pl

Clifford Kiracofe

Out here in the Country, seems its's time to revive States Rights....

Given the "Court"/Coastals....with their Imperial Presidency inside the Beltway. Lot of red space there in the graphic....

gowithit

What? Don't tell me you have given up on Trump!
"Best chance for a Presidential win would be Senator Ted Cruz, as opposed to yet another liberal in conservative drag from the Northeast who hits all the right buttons for the Beltway crowd but can't appeal to the voters."

Tyler

Reading through its funny how many of my predictions came true, minus the part about Cruz winning the nom, what with Trump coming out of nowhere. He did adopt the same populist policy I said a Republican would have to run on to win.

kao_hsien_chih

This is somewhat off topic, but I was wondering the opinion of the SSTers on the article (and the topic) in light of recent discussions about "political correctness" and multiculturalism.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/maajid-nawaz-splc-anti-muslim-extremist/505685/

I don't know too much about Maajid Nawaz, but to the extent that I know of his work, I thought his ideas, broadly speaking, have a strong merit, as a defense of a different version of "multiculturalism" that does not bow to either nativism or PC, something that recognizes that "minority cultures" need to adapt, assimilate to, and respect the mainstream, but that the mainstream needs to respect, understand, and recognize certain key aspects of minority cultures as well. If you will, a two way path of understanding requiring working with all sides, rather than "one side is right and the other side is wrong" attitude that seems to prevail among too many people, whether one agrees with the specifics of what he believes and does. I knew that he drew criticism from both sides, but this seems astonishing that he should be declared a "bigot" by an organization like SLPC.

MRW

@GulfCoastPirate,

“The one person who was more responsible for the latest recession than any other was Ronald Reagan.”

DEAD WRONG.

Clinton caused it when he signed the Balanced Budget Act of 1996 or 1997 and the federal govt ran federal government surpluses for the *first* time since the 1920-1930, thinking he would have the same success he had in Arkansas when he instituted the same thing as Governor. Federal government surpluses throughout US history have immediately preceded every depression. But that yahoo didn’t know—and still doesn’t—know it.

See Table 1.1—Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-): 1789–2021 on https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals. These are the facts, GCP. These numbers don’t lie.

There have been seven of depressions in US history, if you include the 2008 Great Recession, delayed by the dotcom and housing bubbles until 2008 and ‘saved by the bell’ of automatic stabilizers kicking in. Those automatic stabilizers were instituted after the Great Depression. It would have been 10X worse than the Great Depression without them.

Look at the deficits during Reagan’s time. Ballooned. In 1985, David Stockman was interviewed after he left the Reagan admin and said that Reagan increased the deficits to prove to the Democrats that increased federal government “buying” (erroneously called “spending”) would destroy the economy. It had the opposite effect.

"History tells the tale. The federal government has achieved fiscal balance (even surpluses) in just seven periods since 1776, bringing in enough revenue to cover all of its spending during 1817-21, 1823-36, 1852-57, 1867-73, 1880-93, 1920-30 and 1998-2001.

We also experienced six depressions up till 1929. They began in 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893 and 1929.

The one exception to this pattern, the seventh depression, occurred in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when the dot-com and housing bubbles fueled a consumption binge that delayed the harmful effects of the Clinton surpluses until the Great Recession of 2007-09.”

Just look at the Historical Tables. Read the facts.

This is why I am terrified of Hillary winning and putting Bill in charge of the economic direction. They are both hayseeds from Arkansas who don’t know the difference between state and federally run economies, and obviously don’t think they have to learn it. None of the 50 states has the power to issue the USD. Only the US federal government does. Globally. Worldwide. 100% monopoly on creating the US dollar. It’s counterfeiting. There ain’t no factory in downtown china manufacturing USD that we borrow. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

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