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14 October 2016

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Ken Roberts

I just read the whole article. Much more there. This is amazing. Would that we had such brilliant performance artists. Slam poetry or grand political analysis I'm not sure. Maybe they are the same, if well done ? Anyway, thanks, and enjoy the moose, eh ?

Ulenspiegel

Yep. I would suggest to try a moose version of "Wildgulasch", a stew from boar (Wildschweingulasch) or venison (Hirschgulasch), IMHO it should work very well.

And as FkDahl suggested, mashed potatoes as filler, dumblings also works nicely. The "correct" vegetable would be red cabbage.

turcopolier

Ghostship

Intriguing.

Would that be the way Bobby Burns would have pronunciated the name of the wee critter?

"Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty
Wi bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murdering pattle."

And what about the big deer thing with horns in Scotland, the one you shoot with a very expensive rifle whilst a gillie emits hieland cries of joy nearby? And then you smear the animal's blood all over your face. Don't worry. There will be another Scexit referendum soon. pl

turcopolier

Ghostship

IMO you could have two senators for each of the bigger new states but the little guys like Monaco, Belgium (never was a good idea)would have to accept SOME limitations. pl

turcopolier

FKDahl

Bien sur! when I was a kid in HS up in Maine, the recipe was basically Quebec style and made with upper and lower crusts. the filling was some kind of ground meat. Every family had a slightly different combination. There were chopped onions and potato in the mix and the spices varied with the family taste. Interestingly, this delightful dish is even better eaten cold out of the fridge the morning after the Reveillon. pl

Fred

Very interesting reading. The line about the FBI as political police? Well that explains Comey.

"The US is rather the point where the centres of transnational capital prefer to live and keep its legal registration. These very people may be US citizens and alumni, but transnational capital has no homeland. ......Today, we are witnessing the full domination of finance capital ....." My friends on the left used to complain about financial capital but have forgotten all about the WTO protests in Seattle in 1999. Now they are all open borders kind of people.

English Outsider

I have been following with some envy the accounts of elk and moose hunting that have been appearing here recently. The English equivalent is deer hunting - no elk or moose around here as far as I know - and that has changed very much for the worse in recent years.

A while ago hunting with hounds in the UK was banned. Scotland's a different case but that ban wrecked deer conservation here. Before the ban the hunt servants and the farmers kept a close eye on the deer population. The stock was culled as necessary and poachers didn't get much of a look in. That also meant theft was kept down. There were too many eyes around noticing who was where and what they were doing.

Since the ban that informal oversight and control to some extent went by the board. The result was of course an increase in amateur shooting and butchering. One hears of attempts to kill deer with shotguns and there are accounts of animals shot and wounded and then left. The best of the stock gets killed and as for butchering, I remember some time ago seeing some outbuildings where deer were butchered using a chain saw among other implements and the remains dumped in an open pit. That would not have happened before the ban. There'd have been no need for it.

Poaching increased and became more professional. That had a knock on effect on theft from farms and on rustling. The farmers for whom the hunt had been the centre of their social life found that changed. The deer stock deteriorated and as for the humane intention behind the ban, on any calculus of cruelty to animals the old system resulted in a fraction of the cruelty that is inflicted on the animals today.

It was a textbook example of how big government can put paid to a functioning part of a local economy and society without even noticing it. And of course no attempt was made to put any substitute conservation or policing system in place. To be fair I don't suppose that could have been done. To replace a self-financing or free voluntary system of control with paid officials and all the attendant regulation would have been impossibly expensive and intrusive.

I hope things are better organised in the States. By the accounts I've been reading here they seem to be. Though I do find it difficult to get my head around the concept of using high powered rifles from a canoe. Perhaps your canoes are more substantial than the ones I see around here.

kooshy

In Iran Pork is forbidden for muslims to eat, so ham is not available in regular sandwich shops. Last time I was in Iran I learned that is not true for Boar, you cold by Boar cold cut and sandwiches, which was quite good, also plenty of Ostrich meat.

Colonel, BTW since you spend time in Yemen and Arabia, did you ever make or think of making Camel chile.
in southern Iran camel meat is popular and available.

turcopolier

English Outsider

The social circumstances of hunting deer, wapiti, pronghorn antelope or moose in the US are so different from social concepts in the UK that they are IMO hardly comparable. Private game parks are quite rare and private land that has not been "posted" with notices that hunting is trespass there is considered huntable. the states regulate game and fish populations individually but in general a license is required. The fee for this license funds the state's fish and game apparat. Game wardens are law enforcement and are usually armed. there is a season established for each regulated species and in the case of White Tailed Deer the license has attached to it one or more "tags" to be attached to the animal's carcass when it is taken to a local game station which is often located at something like a petrol station. there, the kill is registered and weighed for statistical purposes. Depending on the game services estimation of the population the number and sex of the "tags" varies from year to year. I remember one year in Maine in which the license was for one buck and two does. it varied. the typical American deer hunter is a fellow in a red and black checked woolen jacket complete with a game pocket in the back for rabbits or birds. When I was a kid dried blood in the game pocket made you a real mensch. the type pf firearm is regulated and varies from state to state. In deer season, some communities very nearly come to a standstill for any other activity. the hunting ethos is such in the US that someone who abandoned a wounded animal or a carcass would be universally scorned. pl

FourthAndLong

I must be well beyond halfzeimhers -- I don't get the 'moose' reference.

Tigermoth

What's going on here? Donald Trump sounding like a leader!

Donald Trump: "A moment of reckoning."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQcZMGe4p0

mike allen

Bill Herschel -

My sister-in-law, the HS English teacher, always derides me for being a fan of Fenimore Cooper. She calls him a mass market purveyor of maudlin teenage fantasy. Not so, I claim. I once made a 3000 mile trip to Cooperstown to browse the local bookstores there for some of his lesser known works.

I believe the spy novel you mention was the first ever American spy novel. As you probably know, Cooper got much of the material of that novel from John Jay who, although very much older than Cooper, was a family friend. Jay, one of our Founding Fathers, was also a member the Committee of Secret Correspondence back in 1775 and 1776. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Secret_Correspondence Jay is also considered America’s first Counterintelligence Chief. He surely must have told Cooper of the string of spies that George Washington ran during the Revolutionary War.

Have you read any of Cooper’s maritime novels? His experience as a midshipman in the War of 1812 was largely limited to the Great Lakes. But it gave him an as good or better insight into naval affairs than Melville, and the friends he made there gave him the basis for his stories on maritime commerce and smuggling.

His many non-fiction works on upstate NY politics of the early 19th century are harder to read. Unless I suppose you are a resident and historical buff.

steve

Best moose I ever had was smoked. Thought it was excellent, though it could have been the good company and the excellent booze that came with it.

So exactly how long do you have to have money before you are an old wealth family vs nouveau riche? Trump is second generation wealth. He lived on an estate and drove around in his mother's Rolls Royce. I have always though of the true nouveau rich as the first generation. I had thought that the Kennedy brothers were really just second generation wealthy also since it was the father who generated the wealth.

Steve

mike allen

English Outsider -

As I recall shotguns for deer were de rigueur in many coastal counties of eastern North Carolina when I was stationed there in the sixties and later in the 70s. The reasoning was safety as there were too many homes tucked into or near woodlots with children probably out playing in the yard. A miss or ricochet by a hi-power rifle was thought to be dangerous in that situation.

Hunters there typically used slugs instead of buckshot and had no trouble with just wounding a deer. A hit with a 12 gauge shotgun slug was enough to bring down a deer no matter if it did not hit a vital. And a slug would not be deflected by the heavy brush.

turcopolier

FourthAndLong

Yes. You missed it. This moosology started with a comment by one of my cousins about a dead moose. pl

dsrcwt

I've never tried the chainsaw trick, but I'm told some hunters use them to quarter large game like elk and moose to get it out of the bush. Of course, you have to use vegetable oil instead of bar oil, or you ruin the meat. I have a butcher's handsaw and can split a 300lb pig in half in 30 seconds, so I've never seen the attraction of a noisy, juddery chainsaw.

Re: home butchering, have a look at Scott Rea, on youtube. He does nose to tail butchering and classic British butchering, with a focus on game.

dsrcwt

We make ham from the breast of Muscovy ducks. I think it is even better than pork ham. I'm told that in Judaism there is some disagreement about whether Muscovies are kosher, I don't know if Islam has similar issues, but I imagine any duck would work.

dsrcwt

We have a recipe for moose mincemeat that I've been eager to try. We don't get moose here, but I have a little Columbia Blacktail in the freezer that I'm going to substitute. For dessert after your tortierre.

Ghostship

No, nothing quite so intellectual. It was a bit more recent. "Hoots Mon" is a song written by Harry Robinson in 1958, and performed by Lord Rockingham's XI which featured a couple of Scotticism as the "lyrics", "Hoots mon, there's a moose loose aboot this hoose" and "Hoots mon, it's a braw, bricht, moonlicht nicht." It was quite popular at wedding discos back in the eighties and nineties if my memory is correct. You were supposed to dance the Twist to it, then stop and shout the lines at the top of your voice, then resume dancing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wioh5qUj7fM
You mean the red deer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_deer

Ghostship

Belgium(pop. 11.2M) is almost as populous as Ohio (pop.11.5M) and the Flemings and Walloons could never agree on a single senator. Maybe that's a plot for a future series of the Scandinoir thriller, The Bridge.

English Outsider

I should have been more precise. Shotguns loaded with shot. I believe slugs require a different certificate in the UK. This is more difficult to obtain.

In the instances I referred to I suspect a shotgun would have used more to drive the deer off than for any hope of a kill. That's why the old system worked better. The farmer would get in touch with the hunt and tell them that the deer were getting troublesome. They'd sort it out. Didn't always work, no doubt, but it worked better than what happens now.

Poachers use rifles but are less likely to stay around to dispatch wounded animals.

BGreene

"Laughable education... millionaire... ordinary man..."

Seriously? UPenn Wharton is now laughable? Oy. Millionaire? His FEC filing puts him in the top 10% richest billionaires (1800 total in world). Do you if there was even one disputable asset they press wouldn't have run with it 24/7?? Ordinary? He was featured in stories on CBS/ABC/NBC evening national news in the 1980's. He had a huge bestselling book. He's an American icon whose name is synonymous with wealth and success. He had the top-rated television show on NBC prime time. If this is ordinary then I no longer know what the word means. Carl Icahn, a titan of finance and industry (and in the top 3% of wealthiest billionaires) said the U.S. is at the edge of the abyss, and only someone like Trump can pull us back from it. Icahn is a life-long staunch Democrat, but obviously an American first. Funny, Icahn's opinions are so revered that he can shift global markets by his comments on CNBC or Bloomberg, yet in this election it doesn't seem to matter.

turcopolier

English Outsider

Except in foxhunting country in Virginia there really are not such institutions as "hunts." there are hunting clubs in rural areas but the actual hunting is done in small, often familial groups with perhaps two or three people and a dog for birds in the field. When I shot my first deer my uncle Roger and I carried that 120 lb. doe on a pole for at least a mile to get to the car. We were afflicted with city people come to hunt in deah seezun. (Downeast speech) Massholes and New Yohk City people. After failing to find or shoot anything baggable they would go to one our fahmuh naybuhs to buy a deah fum among those hangin' in the bahn. (More Msine speech) pl

turcopolier

dsrcwt

here is a good recipe a lot like the ones I make when in the mood. http://thethreecheeses.com/2011/07/tourtiere-butter-pastry/ BTW my mother used the same stuffing for turkey. It was terrific. pl

Babak Makkinejad

The gist of your line of argument is that economic self-interest of European states could work as a brake on US policies in Ukraine or in the Levant.

World War I made that argument invalid and I see no reason to expect EU states opposing US policies; they do not have it in them; in my opinion.

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