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14 October 2016


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Babak Makkinejad

In his remarks below


ambassador Chas Freeman (Retired) expresses his expectation that US - under Clump (Clinton or Trump) - will be escalating militarily in the Middle East.

He observes that: "The only part of our government policy apparatus now capable of planning and with the money and moxie to act on its plans is our armed services"

and further that:

"But, with the cult of the warrior ascendant in our culture and few Americans dying, the Washington playbook is likely to prevail. We will continue on autopilot but deploy more firepower."

I personally expect UK to follow US - Boris Johnson is a very intelligent man and his remarks - however buffoonish - are reflecting the position of the sitting UK Government.

Mark Kolmar

kooshy/all -- I got camel meat from a local (Milwaukee) halal butcher some months ago, in large cubes most likely from the top round or top sirloin in beef terms. It has a peculiar, sweet flavor, and is very lean and dry. A little goes a long way. Recipes in English were few, so it was down to my own sensibility.

Simmered in beef stock with onion, ginger, garlic, cayenne, and sweet curry spices with bitter notes (green and black cardamom, fennel, cumin, coriander). The extended cooking time (over 24 hours) offered plenty of opportunity to adjust. I felt it needed a more sour complexity to round out the flavor, and added dried limes. Tomato should work.

For chili, which may be worth a try next time, the peppers would lean toward the earthy, fruity ones such as morita and pasilla. The sweetness of the meat still might be cloying in chili, though, in which case beans would make it worse.

Lord Curzon


Only because the UK kept it up. Now we have decided to Brexit, the rest of Europe is going to have to take long hard look at budgets vs defence commitments.

Old Microbiologist

I am not in complete agreement with you on this. The refugee invasion brought on by US mandated wars and subterfuge by the globalist elite such as Soros, is rapidly losing acceptance in even up to now, loyal vassal states like France and Germany. I live in Hungary and here we have been actively resisting US mandates for over 4 years now. It may require a dissolution of the EU however, but the resistance is strong and growing. Sadly, our current government here is just as corrupt as the Clintons will be, but this resistance continues and is spreading into neighboring countries, all of whom are worse off since joining the EU. Roughly 50% of Hungarians would welcome communism back as things were better for the average citizen. Hungary and other former Soviet block countries in a Eastern Europe have not ever been equals in the EU and it has hurt this country badly. Like in the US, a small elite grouping as become fabulously rich at the expense of the population but the majority have not prospered at all. Attempts to dictate laws to countries like Hungary which are anethema to social norms here, are disastrous. Americans fail to understand the pride that the peoples of countries like this have in their unique values and customs and forcing change is extremely difficult. One in particular is a deal breaker and that is forcing acceptance of any Muslims. Hungary has a very bad history being invaded and occupied by Turkey and over 350,000 Hungarians were killed and thousands were taken as slaves. Muslims are not, nor will ever be welcome here. Say what you will, but this is the way it is and nothing Brussels or the US says will change this. It is the same in other countries in the EU as well. Remember the Bosnian war was not very long ago and is still smoldering. Some things will take a very long time to heal.

Babak Makkinejad

You won't need to try to convince about the depth and width of anti-Muslim sentiments in Eastern Europe that had suffered the Ottoman Empire. But in case of Hungary, a small country, I just do not see them being able to resist the Borg unless they be willing to - as you have suggested - break out of EU.

Mark Logan

A common theme develops! Most everybody makes some kind of stew or pot roasty sort of dish. For us westerners accustomed to grain fed fattened beef and whatever it's the way to go. Bear, in my limited experience, never wanted to hunt the things and have only been treated a few times, is for me somewhat of an exception. These were fat well-fed bears, bear in mind (npi), but I found it to be quite good all on its own.


Even without the UK the EU spend a lot on defense. Also everything you spend on defense is in reality just a tribute to Washington, so why spend?

Old Microbiologist

Yes, it is a delicate balancing act fending off the Borg while accepting bribes from the EU. I think the Muslim issue would not be a serious problem if it wasn't being shoved down their throats. There are in fact, albeit a minority, quite a few about and I see no discrimination at all, particularly in Budapest. The larger problem is accepting economic refugees and that is totally unacceptable to them. Things are tight here and adding the burden of funding any refugees is impossible. Like in the US with veterans there is no ability to support them at all. The minimum wage here is 400 huf an hour or roughly $1.50 yet costs are similar as in the US. Utilities are actually 5 to 8 times higher, but food is less so it is a wash. Minimum social security is roughly $200 a month so things are very tight got a large part of the population. The current administration is so corrupt it boggles the imagination, yet in many ways it is worse in the US. Here it is obvious but in the US it is more subtle. We will see what happens in 2018 at the next election. The current PM is eager to threaten leaving the EU but like you say it very likely won't happen. Sadly, the PM is not elected by popular vote but by a Parliamentary majority so until FIDEZ loses their majority we are stuck with them. The US is a minor player here although McCain and Nuland have visited an inordinate amount in the past couple of years. Apparently to no effect though.


Staying in Somerset (UK) I was invited to lunch at a farm old enough to be included in the Domesday book. They announced they just had newborn lambs and a fox problem so they planned "to get The Hunt in" shortly. I maliciously suggested that they might instead try the Australian way which is often done with a shotgun or .22 at night, from a truck with a spotlight, or in daytime with a .223 - quicker than The Hunt.

They looked at me as if I had just farted. I was not invited again.

As for deer, like ducks, I segregate them into "decorative" and "edible" categories. I could shoot both ducks and deer from the verandah at times, but i prefer to buy them at the supermarket.


As for moose, I grew up with this now politically incorrect children's book.



I agree with Old Microbiologist If ours elites are pro US, people everywhere in Europe are slowly turning against USA.
Too much wars and to much interference in european politics.
The idea of "of free security paid by American tax payers, " is just nonsense as we are not afraid of Russia. 2000 years of propaganda, we are used to it.
Ordinary people ask themselves " For what reason, Russians want to conquer Europe ? "
And answer is quite simple " none ".
That's all


Mark, I never tried the camel meat, but I was told it’s like you said, sweat and rather on hard dry side. it’s mostly consumed in southern desert cities of Iran. The most famous dish that I can think of made with camel meat is a cereal breakfast dish called “Haleem” (means Meek, mild), a barley or oats porridge slowly coked over night with camel, or ( now days ostrich = in Persian is called “camel bird”) or other meats like turkey. It is similar to quaker oats with meat, they add a little sugar or syrup and cinnamon, IMO it is a heavy meal for breakfast, I don’t know if one make it to work having that for breakfast, is often used during religious mourning holidays.


Speaking as some one who lives in Somerset and has often hunted at night with hand-held spotlight and two fast lurcher dogs, I too have been chased by irate farmers in their Range Rovers.

My favourite hunted meats - roe deer fillet, pigeon breasts, jugged hare, and pheasants I have "accidentally" run over in my car. On occasions I've eaten badger - forehocks - and rooks (breasts and legs).

As everywhere else in England, in the world of hunting class warfare is alive and kicking.

Balint Somkuti

Two words for president Clinton.


Balint Somkuti

"The current administration is so corrupt it boggles the imagination"

In some respect u r right. Have you been here before 2010? Situation was even worse. Remember cacao proof computers for klinder garten?


I can't for the life of me imagine using a chainsaw, what a mess! You'd have to spend almost an hour cleaning the chain afterwards to keep it from stinking.
My non professional butcher friends and I use an axe and a hammer for splitting the breastbone of hogs, deer, and goats and just the axe for removing the ribs from the backbone. I just googled butcher saws and they look like hacksaws and pretty cheap - I might try it.

I keep thinking of the scene in 'Animal House' with the dead horse in the Dean's office, how will they get it out the door? Janitor pulls out a chain saw...


That's what your study of European History, say the last 1000 years, tells you? The only nation Europe has to fear is to the "..West of us". That is a rather unique, anyway, view of history.

mike allen

forehocks?? of wild boar? Do they still have them in England? Or were you referring to forehocks of badger?

Babak Makkinejad

I think up to 2 generations ago, most men performed heavy manual labor; thus the need for very heavy breakfast. My Polish colleague told me how his grandmother fed her husband with a breakfast of stakes and eggs in the morning.

By the way, there is a halim recipe with eggplants as well.

Babak Makkinejad

I think you are likely underestimating the extent to which Europeans - East or West of the Diocletian Line - wish to be and remain to be "vassals" and "serfs" of the United States.

Using NED/DNI/IRI/George Soros would just be over-kill; in my opinion.

Babak Makkinejad

It is some sort of Egalitarian Envy - as far as I can tell - endemic to any country with mass-politics and representative system.

I am not a Fox-Hunting Man but it was clear to me that the opposition to it was solely and completely rooted in envy and a desire to humiliate and to deny some perceived aristocrats their amusement.

So much of religious and political actions stem from envy that it is not even funny any longer.

Seamus Padraig

Yeah, me too. They were Boston Irish--the archetypal outsiders back in the days of the old WASP establishment--and Joe Kennedy was said to have been a rum-runner during prohibition. Hardly 'old money'.


In reply to Kooshy 14 October 2016 at 05:00 PM

And you have concluded all of this tripe on the basis of your profound personal knowledge of Europe and Europeans? Amazing how utterly homogeneous the 508 million of us plus the nearly six million Norwegians are isn't it?


The colonial comprador class is indeed beholden to the US. My personal observation is that anti-Americanism is growing among the underclasses, and it's growing fast. It has to do both with the migrants swamping Europe, and the unpopular trade deals that Euro elites try to shove down the people's throats. I wouldn't be surprised if violence erupts here and there, as anti-government and anti-US sentiments grow in line with the general economic and social discontent. It won't be pretty when it happens.

Babak Makkinejad

How many countries (states) in the European Union have independent analytical capacity and capability for the analysis of the World affairs?

I am only aware of such capacity in UK and then distantly, in Italy.

[I am unfamiliar with French sources, but I have not seen names of French analysts and scholars popping up - at least in relation to the Middle East and the wider world of Islam.]

Without independent analytical capacity to analyze the world and form opinions - however wrong they might turn out to be - independent policy cannot be formulated.

Furthermore, without such "native" capacity to analyze and form opinion, mass media in any given country will be dominated by translations from or regurgitations of US, Russian, and Chinese sources.

The net result is that neither at the government level nor at the popular level, the so-called Borg Narrative could be challenged and alternatives proposed; there are no alternative understandings of the world available for such undertaking.

I do not think it was the USA that did this to EU states; it was their own choice to be flying blind - as it were.

When Denmark becomes an Enemy of Shia, it most certainly is not due to profound study of Muslim religion and politics over the last 1400 years. Actually, quite far from it. Someone told the Danes to hate Shia, and they clicked their heels, saluted, and proceeded to do so.

Likewise, for example, in Spain and Portugal.

That is an interesting feature of the European Union states, most of them seem to completely rely on US output; from Think-Tanks, to Intelligence Agencies.

We are, in my opinion, in a very analogous situation to the decade before World War I when the Peace of Vienna had collapsed, the economic foundations of that peace were also gone, and the war, by sheer inertia, was avoided until 1914. Analogously, today, the Peace of Yalta has collapsed (25 years), the economic foundations of that peace are also gone (Financial Crisis of 2008), and small wars are raging here and there.

Yes, there is not a single European country, save Russia, that is actually putting proposals to avoid a repeat of 1914. None of the EU states, single or collectively, are putting any alternative policy to that of the United States. None, nada, zilch.

Who or what is responsible for this absence of alternative policy but the absence of native EU analytical capacity?

There are other Europeans on this forum that may choose to correct me if I am wrong in my observations and estimations.

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