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06 October 2016

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Ken Roberts

Madness. I thought the Saker had a good article on the topic:

http://thesaker.is/russian-options-against-a-us-attack-on-syria/

Nick Schandlbauer

Fred Reed agrees:

http://fredoneverything.org/an-obsolescent-military-bombing-everything-gaining-nothing/

ISL

Very scary summary. I cant believe that the borg would risk nuclear war - its the ultimate lose lose choice, no matter what the children's brigade wargames.

Its also hard to imagine pushing the us in that direction before the election, so Manpads it is. Would the Russian's aggressively then arm the Houthis with manpads? One can imagine that leading to rising oil prices (which inadvertently would help Russia dramatically) - without manpads, the Houthis have been able to take Saudi territory.

Tol Tapen

IMO the US "leadership" no longer cares about the impression its statements produce in the USA and elsewhere - it says what it says just because it has to say something, anything.
No one is expecting to hear something like: "Crap! Our protection racket business model is being dismantled! They all gonna burn for this!"
Yet, there can be no guarantee that the mainland USA is spared once the larger war is ignited. "Breakfast at Twilight" story by Philip K. Dick (the same guy who wrote "Blade runner") is probably the first literary exploration into the consequences.

paulj

Phillip K. Dick also wrote "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away".

Jack

Harper

This is Obummer policy. Carter and Brennan and Clapper are following his diktats. And he is the more restrained one in comparison to the Borg Queen. At least he pulled back from his red line when al Qaeda scammed him with sarin. If the Borg Queen is elected next month we can see what escalation really means. They really do believe that Putin will cave if they act crazy enough. But if he does then the Borg Queen in her triumphalism will escalate further. Next, closer to Russia's borders and even internally. The Borg Queen's supporters in their visceral hatred for Trump will create an existential threat to the US. Of course they will never accept any responsibility which is part and parcel of their PCness and the nanny state.

Degringolade

Truthfully, I am wondering how much of this crap is just folks who realize that they might be out of a job soon. When folks look to lose power, they start running their mouth. I think that the actions of a pufferfish might well prove instructive.

Folks around the world are starting to call our bluff. It is illustrative to watch a person in a poker game when this occurs. Folks that I tend to like just toss their cards on the table and laugh.

I think that what we are seeing here is the behavior of folks that I don't usually like. When you call their bluff, they threaten and eventually leave the game in a pout (with the notable exception of SP4 Horner, whose ass I was privileged to kick).

Lemur

There's a Russian military buildup in Syria going on with the dispatch of three new missile corvettes, more Su-24s/34s, Su-25s on standby to deploy, an the new S-300 Gladiator system.

The moves come in conjunction with some rather curt diplomatic exchanges:

"After US hit SyrianArmy in DeirEzZor, we took measures to prevent such 'mistakes' from happening" - @mod_russia

"Russian Ministry of Defense promise "a surprise" by S-300 and S-400 in Syria for any unidentified object"

"If the Russians actually believed we would shoot down their planes, they wouldn't bomb the safe havens in Syria.- @LindseyGrahamSC"

"French FM to Lavrov: nothing can justify 'deluge of fire' on Aleppo"

"UN Syria envoy De Mistura presser: '900 Nusra (JFS) fighters are in Eastern Aleppo - are 900 people the main reason as to why 275k people are being attacked?'"

Meanwhile new districts are falling in Aleppo.

The Saker discusses escalation scenarios here:
http://thesaker.is/the-war-against-syria-both-sides-go-to-plan-b/

His central point is that a combination of Russian fighters, electronic warfare, targeting AWACs and anti-aircraft systems would inflict a very high cost on a US attempt to impose a no fly zone.


What I should really like to know from those who may be knowledgeable on the subject is the extent to which the Russian systems listed above pose a threat to front line US assets? I've some articles but when technical issues are combined with bias, the layman has no way of knowing.

At any rate, 2016 Syria is looking increasingly like 1914 Serbia...

Anna

It seems that the prudes from Mossad and/or NSA have downed Unz Review (http://www.unz.com), which is a great forum for intelligent free-thinkers. The Review's latest article was harsh on Israel; seems that it was too much for the influential Israel-firsters.
Unz Review is published by Ron Unz, an honorable Jewish man - a mathematician, businessman, researcher, and thinker in one person. Unz has become a target of poisonous attacks from ADL for his excellent research in American meritocracy: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/ http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/united-states/c/ron-unz-controversial-writer.html

mistah charley, ph.d.

The following is relevant to the Dr. Strangelove movie, not the geopolitical considerations operative in the theater of war today, but some may find it interesting. Briefly: as filmed, the movie had a more farcical ending - a food fight in the War Room.

"Ironically, Strangelove was being edited around November 22, 1963, the day President Kennedy was assassinated. In the scene as filmed, President Muffley is struck with a pie and Turgidson announced, "Our President has been struck down in his prime!" Because Kubrick considered the action too close to actual events, and too comical as staged (the actors appeared to be enjoying themselves a bit too obviously)[the scene was cut short]."

"Not with a bang, but a food fight"
http://beforenine.blogspot.com/2016/10/this-way-america.html

Lemur

Found the video the Russian quotes came from above, subtitled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0cTxABUY8

Lemur

damn, hope it comes back online; it's a great site.

For the ADL, anti-semitism is any fact Jews don't like.

ex-PFC Chuck

Anna, Is it a DDOS attack? Or something more? I just clicked on my Unz bookmark and it looks like the former.

LeaNder

Fake alert, just delete the ")," and you'll be fine.

Ron Unz:
http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/

ked

Sen. Lindsey was particularly unhinged this AM on some morning talk show (CBS?).
He had no problem w/ risking combat (aka de facto war) w/ Russia over a Syrian NFZ.
"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed."

Keith Harbaugh

The HTML address in Anna's original post is the problem.
The correct HTML is http://www.unz.com/, not http://www.unz.com),/

turcopolier

ked

Graham is a retired USAF reserve JAG officer. "Getting your hair mussed" for him is having a motion denied. pl

jld

No, it was NOT a fake alert, the whole UNZ site was down for many hours whatever way tried to access it, even 'wget' (for those who know what it is).

jld

Ibidem @LeaNder.

Peter Reichard

With the Deir-i-Zor attack it has finally dawned on the Russians that the US had never been negotiating in good faith and that all the cease fires were ruses to allow the rebels to rearm and reposition. I wonder what took them so long to come to this realization. The deployment of the S-400 and other reinforcements represent a line drawn in the sand against a no fly zone or any kinetic operations against the SAA, this is a sea change. Let us pray we do not call their bluff for they mean business. As I recall the nuclear apocalyptic novel "Alas, Babylon" began with an IR guided weapon launched by a US fighter pilot that accidentally locked on to the wrong target in Syria. Let us hope it is not prophetic.

r whitman

Does anyone take into consideration that US and Russian nuclear weapons have not been tested for over 30 years. A trillion dollars is a lot for something that may not work.

Aka

Belive it or not, in 2008 VP Cheney thought about a "surgical strike" against the Russians before Bush shot it down.

jld

I am not so sure that the Russians were so naive, rather that they needed a publicly acknowledged good reason for a stronger posture which was kindly provided by the Deir-i-Zor "mistake".
Unfortunately this may still not be a good enough reason for the world's sheeple.

Fred

r whitman,

The principles of physics haven't changed.

Lurker

something was "tested" on 911 in the WTC towers' basements

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