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29 October 2016


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Cited by French blog dedefensa.org
" Former U.S. Attorney Joe DiGenova, citing FBI sources close to the investigation, called the internal dissension “a big development,” in an interview with Hotair. “This is a big development. This means there are some great, traditional, honest people inside the FBI and DOJ who will not let this stand, said DiGenova, who still practices law in D.C. “They know that Comey is a dirty cop and they are disgusted. Inside the bureau I had a meeting today with a senior former FBI agent who told me this exact story. That people are starting to talk. They’re calling their former friends outside the bureau asking for help. We were asked, today, to provide legal representation for people inside the bureau and we agreed to do so. And, to former agents who want to come forward to talk.” “Comey thought this was going to go away. It is not. People inside the agency are furious. They are embarrassed. They feel they are being led by a hack. But, more than that, they think he’s a crook. They think he’s fundamentally dishonest. They have no confidence in him. The bureau, inside, right now … is a mess.”

» Now it appears the anger and the mess may have turned into outright resistance. »

Eric Newhill

TTG, I know a lot about databases, design, statistical querying, etc. (information management) but I am fairly ignorant when it comes to all this IT stuff.

So, I often work from home often these days. I log onto the company's secure network through VPN. I can only send and receive emails within the network when I am log on via VPN. When I am logged on, MS Outlook automatically receives any new emails that are sent to me. However, even when not logged on - even when not on line at all -I can open and read any emails that I already received. Outlook must save a copy of the emails somewhere on my laptop's hard drive. That's just how the company laptops are set up before they are issued to us.

Is that what you are saying happened here? If so, it makes perfect sense to me.

SWMBO is something of a Tom Boy at heart. She has a lot of disdain for "dizzy women" (her words). She tells me that we often over-think things. She says that Hillary and her little coven of witches are just stupid women that don't understand how technical things work and who didn't bother to think through all possible locations for the emails they sought to erase from the record for ever.

She also has long contented that Hillary's apparent health problems (the collapses, etc.) are merely due to alcoholic behavior. Get drunk in the morning on 9/11/2016 and fall down, which is exactly what it looked like when you think about it.



Supposedly the "400lb foreign hacker" that Trump mentioned who hacked Hillary and has her 30K is actually a 400lb foreign hacker of Kiwi extraction named Kim Dotcom.

You may remember him as being the owner of megaupload and the brouhaha over the NZ government doing a commando style raid on his mansion with US agents watching from a NZ government C3. Extradited to the US despite never having a physical presence or registering in the US to do business.

If true, its a nice comeuppance.


Rats are starting to leave the sinking ship:


Again, if you really believed that Hillary ever had a 12 point lead over Trump I've got news for you. Functionally tied even with a +8 Dem oversampling. Brace for a Trumpslide. This was even BEFORE the FBI announcement.



Just for the record - I am not a "lonely man" - having a girl with kids (now mostly grown and seldom home) for years now.

It may be that my observation on this is German centric and too much restricted to my social and occupation relations. But we tend to care quite a lot for privacy for well known historic reasons. Folks may have an old laptop for the kids to share or a common gaming machine. But machines used for personal stuff are handled as personal private devices: No regular access, no sharing.



what little is known about the laptop points to a few different modes of access:

1. There were 4 different accounts that Abedin used -- non-secure DOS, Clinton private email server, Yahoo email, Weiner political.

2. Outlook does allow multiple accounts to be accessed in one client (since 2012), but it's a pain in the ass. I'd speculate that only one account was accessed with the local client. The rest were probably accessed by some form of web client. Also, if it's a Mac, a different client would likely have been used, with much better handling of multiple accounts. But right now we don't even know if this was a PC or Mac.

3. If it's the accounts that Abedin has already testified to, most likely these are duplicates of the emails that are already in the FBI's possessions.

Let's wait and see. Given how little the FBI itself seems to know about the emails, I would have held off with an announcement until a preliminary investigation revealed if this was just penis pill and Nigerian prince communications or something more substantial.


@Bobo "Well there was a warrant to search the laptop regarding the Weiner dalliances and just imagine what a Keyword/phrase search turned up. That is why we are where we are."

I suspect that this is a "parallel construction" case like the FBI regularly uses when it gets the information first through a not-so-legal channel like some NSA snooping. It then makes a different case or invents an explanation why it needs a warrant. From there it builds a completely new parallel case that covers the legal ground from a to z. The original information source is thereby never revealed.

This has been used in hundreds of cases by the FBI, DEA and local police to hide their access to (electronic) information sources not (or barely) covered by law.



I agree, Babak. ...

I would assume she used imap not a pop setting for easy availability on every tool she used. Which no doubt might complicate matters.

It's a somewhat odd story, anyway. Spitzer/Weiner?


It is possible that Huma has a Clintonmail account and she has been using Outlook to received those emails. In which case Outlook allows you configure in your settings such as either the emails remain on the server OR alternately are downloaded on to your device/laptop. So although the Clintonmail server is now destroyed, every single email sent from that server either addressed to or copied to Huma would be on the Weiner laptop. After her estrangement from Weiner, Huma probably set up another client to receive those emails on another device, but forget to disable the client on the laptop she donated to Weiner and hence the present situation.



in American law the principle generally is that if you learn something unexpected in the course of a legal search that something is admissible in court. pl


Edward Amame

I have screened out a lot of his more personal attacks on you today. pl



An interesting cultural insight. I agree with TTG that this is not the American cultural norm. pl


"Every e-mail client will obligingly ..."

Every e-mail client will obligingly do whatever has been specified in the filters setups which could be "Move to such and such folder an set as already read."
This of course requires knowledge an intent from the one setting up the filter.



An IT technical person normally sets this up when you buy the machine. pl

An innocent bystander

Well, modern laptop/desktop operating systems are designed for multiple-users, with each user profile having its own password-protected environment that is inaccessible to the other users. If the computer in question had been set up with different user profiles, then the husband would not see his wife's email box filling up as that would be happening inside her user environment, to which he did not have access.


If you value anything in/attached to those emails then YOU maintain a copy or COPIES of them.
You can't trust that the other end will maintain them.
I had emails from the last 15years of work on 3 seperate encrypted backups.
Lucky for me , since I am retired for several years , I don't have to worry about them, but still have the backups.

That's the way it has been for decades.


Yes, the local client can be set to store a copy offline just as web pages can be done.

Does your laptop store data only on encrypted storage?
They should have your device set for that.


Tyler -

I found a surprisingly good article on BBC news this morning addressing whether Trump can pull off the election. The poor predictions of Brexit vote outcome have clearly raised concerns about polling accuracy. A key point was that "Some 2.8 million people - about 6% of the electorate - who had not voted for decades, if ever, turned up at the polling stations on 23 June and almost all of them voted to leave the EU."

The article covers a broad range of issues raising uncertainty in elections like the impact of cellphone use and the increasing reluctance of the public to answer surveys.

It suggests that there is probably more uncertainty in all of the presidential race polling than is being admitted – with some emphasis on the limits of “proprietary ‘likely voter’ models used by most polling companies. The article ends quoting Nate Silver suggesting that many pollsters have not factored enough uncertainty into their models..


English Outsider

Is that article indicating a climate of doubt or is it attempting to create one? It looks as if it's the former.

So how does it work if Mrs Clinton is elected? Presumably from now on all officials and associates will be walking on eggs, making sure they're not party to setting up any communication system for the President unless everything is vetted and filed.

How can someone living at the office take care of her private business in such circumstances? How will the distinction between public business and party business be managed? Difficult to see how a President could be effective if those serving her were more concerned with getting the balance correct than with getting on with the job.

It does also look as if enquiries or investigations might continue past the inauguration. Some officials will therefore be wearing two hats. They could find themselves helping with an investigation and serving the subject of the investigation at the same time.

I assume, for all the scandal stories, that the American administration is pretty normal. A few bad eggs but most of the officials busy with just getting the job done right. I don't envy those officials who will find themselves walking all those tightropes.

My outsider reason for hoping Mrs Clinton won't be elected is that it looks as if fewer foreigners will get killed if she's not. So I'm scarcely unbiased. But could a President serve in these circumstances in any case?

robt willmann


Kim Schmitz, a/k/a Kim Dotcom and Kim Tim Jim Vestor, has appealed the ruling from a New Zealand trial court late last year that he can be extradited to the U.S. for the criminal case filed against him here. He appealed it, and at the end of August of this year, the appeal was heard. He wanted a live stream of the appeal hearing to be broadcast on the Internet. Lawyers for the U.S. argued in New Zealand against that, saying that potential jurors in the U.S. might be prejudiced by watching the argument in the New Zealand court. Of course, the U.S. Dept. of Justice tries to influence potential jurors all the time by calling a press conference to announce an indictment, etc. The judge allowed the live streaming, but said it could not be saved as video on the Internet for later viewing.

Schmitz, born in Germany, does know computer hacking--


His U.S. lawyer, Robert Amsterdam, wrote a paper giving a legal side of the argument (48 pages)--


Back in early 2013, Schmitz / Dotcom gave his side of the story in an interview with RT--


He claims that Hillary Clinton signed his extradition request (or she may at least have been a signatory on it)--



There is another possibility at play here as well. Huma or some one working for here could have deleted her email account on the laptop along with any locally kept emails before handing it to the weiner. When the FBI seized it the first thing they would do would be to clone the drive and then try to recover any deleted files. As long as the part of the hard drives where Hama's emails were wasn't over written they would be recoverable with the kind of people/tech the FBI has available.


The emails might have been part of a backup archive of the whole disk of the computer examined by the fbi (or even from a different computer), or even a backup of just the email file. The archive could have been created automatically, or, if deliberately, Weiner or Abedin may have just forgot about it.

When I upgrade the OS, for example, I often backup the whole computer disk to an archive, and put it onto a different hard drive. I also regularly make backups of email files.

Anyway, I think there are fairly innocent explanations for why Weiner's computer might have these emails, and why Abedin may have not disclosed them earlier, when she ought to have.


Wall Street Journal now claims that "Federal agents are preparing to scour roughly 650,000 emails contained on the laptop of former Rep. Anthony Weiner to see how many relate to a prior probe of Hillary Clinton’s email use, "
Abedin has been working with HRC for the last 20 years and has been the closest to HRC.
This should be very interesting indeed.

Babak Makkinejad

Ah. so you have expertise in IT Infrastructure. Only such people know the difference between PO3 and IMAP.

robt willmann

If this article from the New York Post of 22 September 2016 is more or less accurate, it may provide a clue as to how the case against Anthony Weiner -- Huma Abedin's estranged husband -- got started--


The fifth paragraph says: "The teen claims Weiner, 52, told her about his 'rape fantasies,' sent her pornographic videos and asked her to get naked and masturbate for him over Skype."

Bingo. If the teenager showed enough indications of some credibility and that it was not an obvious frameup of Weiner, then an investigation could get started. As I mentioned the other day, Title 18, U.S. Code, sections 2251, 2252, and 2256 (definitions) can apply to a federal investigation of sexting cases--




The definition of "sexually explicit conduct" includes masturbation and the "lascivious exhibition of the genitals". If there were no existing photographs or videos of the girl, then if Weiner did indeed ask her "to get naked and masturbate for him over Skype", and evidence that was admissible in court existed to prove that statement, an investigation would consider whether that and other evidence would be enough to think that probable cause existed for an "attempt" to commit the offense.

That brings us to the lead paragraph of the article: "Prosecutors in US Attorney Preet Bharara’s office have issued a subpoena for Anthony Weiner’s cell phone and other records, law enforcement sources said."

What might have happened is that the Manhattan District Attorney's office got the information that a teenager had been having a lewd "sexting" relationship with Weiner. When they found out about the claim that he had asked the girl to masturbate for him over Skype, which could also fit a federal investigation of sexting, the DA called the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York (Manhattan) and/or the FBI. The U.S. Attorney then got into the act, and issued subpoenas for Weiner's cell phone and "other records". This might mean that a grand jury was created to make evidence-gathering easier (federal grand jury subpoenas are nationwide in scope) and to investigate more thoroughly.

It is unclear how the computer laptop got involved. Today (30 October) there are reports claiming that Weiner is "cooperating" with the investigation--


If he is cooperating, then he would be asked to sign a consent form giving permission to search a place or some item. If he did that in a "non-custodial" situation and not when under threat or duress, then a search warrant would not be necessary. But depending on how the laptop was obtained, and what Weiner said about its use, a search warrant may still be sought.

My guess is that both Weiner and Huma Abedin were using the laptop and that he had access to her e-mails on it. Maybe Weiner was even passing on to other people some of the State Department e-mails and those that might have contained classified information.

The Wall Street Journal says this afternoon that there may be 650,000 e-mails on the Weiner-Abedin laptop--



I also agree with 'b' that the fraud on the courts and the public known as "parallel construction" may have played or may be playing a role in this.

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