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13 September 2016

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Tyler

Edward,

Ah, the sun rises in the east and Edward resorts ineffectively to womanly snark.

Yes, Trump is amazing. Tell me more about Borg Grandma being the picture of health.

Tyler

Steve,

You're missing the forest for the trees.

My larger point is that Edward favors policies that push the importation of more foreign element, cannot rush in fast enough to defend his holy negroes, and is always going on about his progressive creds...

While living in an ultra right, rather wealthy zip code where the only "people of color" he sees are the gardeners or serving staff.

Its the hypocrisy, dear boy.

Tyler

Steve,

Its not where he lives, its his hypocrisy in surrounding himself with wealth and white people while he comes on here playing Edward the Progressive Warrior, defender of minorities and foe of the rich.

Instead you've got another limousine liberal who wants diversity for thee, but not for he. Not shocked but there it is.

rakesh wahi

so your logic is that we should elect him to resolve our divisions. this is a novel argument

Fred

Pacifica,

Obama has been in office almost 8 years. His current and former AG's have charged how many banksters? Who is it that went after Christians for not backing a cake? Which colleges and ending due process for those charged with crimes on campus? Which colleges are imposing free speech restrictions and banning open debate in public? Try again.

Fred

Kao,

Other than St. Bernie, whose wife bankrupted the college she ran, there have been essentially zero people elected to any elected office of consequence ever. Bernie turned around from his claims "The system is rigged" to endorsing the non-deplorable candidate. Integrity in action.

Babak Makkinejad

Thank you for your comments.

I guess, being an urban kid, it was inconceivable for me to live in any other place without asphalt, concrete, gasoline fumes, noise, crowds, electricity, dentists, potable water, AC, museums, cinemas, art galleries, public libraries, concert halls, car mechanics, super markets, furniture stores, etc.

It was very odd for me to learn how modern Greeks still took annual trips to their ancestral villages - and I am not speaking here of Greek migrant workers; rather urban professionals.

What is in there in the village except, as you have observed, narrow-minded bigotry of the most insular kind?

And your observation: "...they tend to be very intolerant of the people not from their tribe..." extends - from my interlocutors of varied nationalities and ethnicities - to cities as well; some cities are more welcoming and many are not (even to people ostensibly from the same ethnicity who do not speak with the same dialect.)

I know professors who teach in this or that provincial university - in this or that country - and the moment they retire they are out of that place; in Korea, in Spain, in Iran, in US...

Fred

oofda,

Hilary brought up David Duke earlier in the campaign as a way to discredit and disqualify any who might support Trump. "So and so said or did such and such despicable thing, denounce him/her or I'll call you a racist." It is a standard Kafka-trapping technique of the left.

Babak Makkinejad

Wiser words have not yet been uttered - fully agree.

Babak Makkinejad

Thanks: this is the correct URL:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/09/bill-mowers-we-the-plutocrats-s-we-the-people-saving-the-sou-l-of-democracy.html

If you check Brooklyn, you will see a family of 3 living in 48-square yards while across the river, there is the family driving their 757i to their Hampton's spread.

Mind you, the Brooklyn family is college educated, dual income, etc.

This is the Gilded Age again.

Babak Makkinejad

How about the phrase that I have seen used in connection with France; "Deep France"? And then "Deep India", "Deep USA", etc.

turcopolier

PA

If a man and a woman live together for a long period of time and have children that they raise together are they not married? you are cautioned not to attack the motives or status of others on SST. pl

Antoine

les deplorables

Fred

Tyler,

Please get your demographics straight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City

Fred

Pacifica,

Discredited and disqualified - for all things I may comment on. Got it.

I recommend you tell these folks here to correct their articles to match your opinion:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/family/history.html

Thank you very much for the insult. Good thing for me it is not your blog.

kao_hsien_chih

"And your observation: "...they tend to be very intolerant of the people not from their tribe..." extends - from my interlocutors of varied nationalities and ethnicities - to cities as well"

That is what I meant by how HRC and others of her ilk, and indeed, all of us, really do live in villages of some sort--just that we don't realize it. The modern state, with the universally applied code of laws and such is an attempt to escape from the "villages" where the fellow tribals get all the breaks and where the non-tribals are picked on the smallest excuses. I think this is where the political correctness, of both the left and the right varieties, becomes destructive. The left, multiculturalist variety berates the universal law (which, in a western country, is bound to be based on western cultural mores, because of history and all that) for being "intolerant" and excuses infractions as long as it is done in the name of "multiculturalism." The Right, on the other hand, condones the same kind of infractions, by declaring universal applicability of the law that does not fit their idea of the "proper culture."

Being of East Asian culture, much more than I care to admit, I suppose I took on much more of their view on the "law" than not. Both Koreans and Chinese have multiple proverbs that roughly translate to "little people cannot bend laws" or "laws are for little people." (The "law" not being just the legal code per se, but social conventions, moral taboos, etc) The powerful do as they please, because they are "right" or whatever, and the little people get righted on, so to speak. Sadly, this is increasingly the universal view, held by the elites everywhere: I don't see a shred of difference between any of the leading US politicians these days, all of whom regard the same view--we are right, they are wrong, and the law is irrelevant as long as we are right. Sure, they say different things and belong to different sides, but who cares given their cavalier attitude towards the "law"?

Socrates was a fool to take the hemlock, apparently.

Walker

This article has a great deal of interesting information on Clinton's religious background. It says that Clinton's conservative Methodist upbringing "naturally led Clinton toward the gop. She was a Goldwater Girl...". That training, focused on Paul Tillich and Reinholt Niebuhr, appears to have been an artifact of her particular youth pastor. I don't know how representative it is of Methodists in general. Not very, I would think, based on the ones I know.

That says something about Clinton, but more troubling to me is her active participation in The Fellowship, a secretive cult-like Christian group.
Maybe you know something about them, Colonel. I'm personally not encouraged to know that Clinton's strongest religious affiliation is with this group which includes so many extreme right-wing politicians (DeMint, Inhofe, Strom Thurmond (formerly)).

Walker

I never knew there were so many different kinds of white people.

Pretty funny.

kao_hsien_chih

Your observation about professors in provincial universities is right on, I think, although with a caveat. In my experiences, people of that sort in provincial places form a very exclusivist circle that is hostile to people who don't fit their tribal thinking--so a group of ultra leftist faculty at a state university in a conservative state, for example. They might convince themselves that they are not trying to "indoctrinate" and they might really mean it--but if you think doctrinaire thought most of the time, and indeed, wear it while dealing with your fellow tribals, it is bound to show even if you don't think you are. This was, in my experience, way too obvious that it was downright comical how they did not see it (and I am sure they were honest when they insisted that they are not being "political.")

On the flip side, my SWMBO (more or less--at least for now) is from rural Louisiana--let's say a rather different environment, to say the least. On the one hand, I found her people far more "genuine" than people whom I run into professionally, but rural South is not a place where people who look different can easily fit into either. But I don't see many places where a rural Southerner might fit in when she doesn't want to put on a politically correct mask, on the third hand.

turcopolier

KHC

How do you explain Bobby Jindal? pl

kao_hsien_chih

Fred,

That's exactly my point. People should "waste" more votes on people who will not necessarily be elected, if only to show the complacent politicians that the votes don't come cheap. It may help the slightly more evil people get elected for now, but if the politicians get scared of voters enough, they might actually pay attention to the voters.

The greatest contribution that Sanders made in 2016 was to scare HRC shitless, until he turned around and became her lapdog. I'm hoping that the voters who supported him won't be turned so easily if only to teach these politicians a hard lesson.

kao_hsien_chih

Colonel,

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking exactly about, but there are some differences, I think.

Jindal is actually from Louisiana and grew up there. By not "fitting in," I don't just mean in terms of physical appearance, but in terms of knowing the "local culture." My understanding is that he fits the latter even if he might not "look" the part. This may be achievable if given enough time, but not an option for me, at the present. Maybe, in 25-30 years, I might settle down in Louisiana after retiring...but not now.

kao_hsien_chih

PS.

I guess what I am saying is not that the South, Louisiana, or rural folk are necessarily hostile to people who are minorities, but that it takes a lot of effort to become "local" in such settings: just "pretending" and saying the "right BS" without significance is not enough. But that takes an effort that would take a lot of concentrated effort. I don't think it's unique to any one place--places with "old souls," regardless of country or culture, I imagine, are harder for outsiders to melt into without a lot of effort.

kao_hsien_chih

PPS.

I suppose this is the odd thing about Louisiana that I really appreciated: among the academic tribe, I knew that they were insistent on viewing me as "the East Asian" and made presumptions that, at times, I found downright offensive, even if "politically correct." I appreciated, among the Louisianans, that they made no such presumptions and they treated me like "everyone else," which is to say, with utmost graciousness. But, it was also clear that becoming a real Southerner was something that took a real effort, if it was at all doable for someone from outside like me.

turcopolier

KHC

It is possible but difficult to become a member of a new culture. You would have to work at it. pl

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