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13 September 2016

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Fred

KHC,

While Hilary wasted quite a bit of rich peoples money beating Bernie that contest was not in any doubt from teh start. The 3rd party voters didn't teach anyone anything. If the Greens are serious at all they'll start running for local office. The fact they don't shows these votes are little more than virtue signals.

Babak Makkinejad

I once heard about an Iranian professor (of economics) in a Japanese university who had made an excellent transition into the Japanese culture - unlike L. Heron; even though both had Japanese wives.

The Australian who told me this was rather wistful, was wondering loud if there were cultural affinities; to which I responded by stating two analogues: Saving Face/Honor and Omiaie.

I think also North European culture is particularly inaccessible to foreigners from the Near East and Far East. Hindus do not even try as they are in their own Universe.

Tyler

Fred,

That's not Monmouth County. Fite me irl

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Kathy,

To add to your list of reasons for caution, I recently read that Trump has made a person called Stephen Moore his primary economic adviser. Stephen Moore is a propagandist for the Cato Foundation ( a Libertarian Spin Mill) and is a founder of the Club For Growth, another Koch Brothers founded Libertarian Spin Mill. I don't know what other groups he may be in. He is devoted to the cause of abolishing Social Security and strictly privatizing all the money involved. He is also a devoted supporter of Free Trade Agreements.

The fact that Trump would make such a person his principal economic adviser makes me wonder if Trump has any analytical intelligence at all beyond the low cunning and narrow shrewdness required to make money hustling Real Estate development schemes.

The problem we face in this election is that while voting for Trump may not help, it won't hurt either. So there we are. And in terms of lowering the chances of war with Russia leading to nuclear exchange, it may indeed help.

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Fred,

I have had the occasional gleeful moments saying to Nader Voters:
" Don't blame me. I voted for Gore."

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kao_hsien_chih,

Sanders always said right from the start that he would end up supporting Clinton if she won the nomination. So that should not have been a surprise to Sanders supporters. What WAS surprising was that he announced his support beFORE the actual floor votes and floor fights, even if only by a day. That made some of us . . .

wonder if
somebody put
a horse's head
in Sanders' bed.

That said, I think he knew a lot of his supporters would not vote for Clinton in any case. And a lot of us Bitter Berners indeed will not vote for Clinton in any case.

kooshy

Babak
FYI
http://www.iranreview.org/content/Documents/Japan_to_Honor_Iranian_Researcher.htm
I know professor Rajabzadeh he is very well versed in japanese language and culture.

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VietnamVet,

A necessary first step is to keep doing exactly what you are doing which is reminding readers as many times as necessary . . . that there is money to be followed, someone getting rich at everyone else's expense, scams to end, white collar criminals to jail and Wars to be stopped. Steady reminders are necessary to refocus minds in the face of constant efforts to blur and divert minds away from sharpness and focus.

kooshy

FYI, there is also Tavazoo in Toronto, I visited them 2 years ago, very good large selection and they ship to US
http://www.tavazo.com/contact/

kao_hsien_chih

BM,

I'm not sure if the South, if the South that I've seen is any indication, is really what most people would associate with "North European" (although I'm a bit lost on how to best characterize it without doing either the South or the "North European" too much injustice.) In many ways, I found Louisiana a setting far more easier to connect with than the people that I deal with professionally, even if I'd have to work much harder to "blend in."

Cvillereader

She wasn't completely limp. Her lower extremities were completely rigid, and she was immobilized. Frozen is a much better way to describe Hillary this past Sunday.

Fred

KHC,

"... I don't see many places where a rural Southerner might fit in when she doesn't want to put on a politically correct mask,..."

You can be a very urbane and well educated Southerner and still be ostracized.

Fred

KHC,

The non-witholding of SS taxes Moyers mentions sank a couple of Clinton's AG nominees in the 1990's. But they were all living in the city and the servants were illegal aliens so that certainly doesn't make the same folksy anecdote of some 1950's housewives in a small segregated Texas town. Moyers worked on LBJ's staff; they are the people who gave us the welfare state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nannygate

dbk

HRC was raised a Methodist; iirc, her father was a very active member of their congregation.

Methodism, as noted by another commenter, arose as a workingman's form of Protestantism in rural England. Wesley himself was an Anglican theologian at Oxford, and is recognized as one of the 50 most influential Englishmen in history. The faith arrived in the US through Wesley's circuit ministry in the South (primarily, Georgia).

The fact that HRC was a Methodist is traditionally considered an indicator of social class (lower - lower middle - middle; a very old joke runs something as follows: How do you distinguish the Protestant sects? A Methodist is a Baptist who can read; a Presbyterian is a Methodist who went to college, and an Episcopalian is a Presbyterian with a trust fund.)

The primary tenets of a practicing Methodist remain those of the founder: love, justice, compassion for all, and the ethos of the church strongly urges that these tenets be practiced by believers in their daily, lived existence.

I was raised a Methodist and still aspire to the above tenets. While there can be a certain rigidity of beliefs (judgmental), the Methodists' Social Creed is one of the most progressive platforms for social involvement in the U.S. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Creed_(Methodist)

I am, frankly, at a loss as to how all this fits with the lived experience of HRC. As a practicing/believing Methodist, instead of referring to a "basket of deplorables", her religious beliefs ought to have prompted her to express compassion for those who live in constant fear and uncertainty as a consequence of the neoliberal policies she espouses.

Swamp Yankee

Fred,

This reminds me of my experience here in the region of Cape Cod Bay, with people from Away, often from New York or Ohio or New Jersey, making fun of our accents, to our face. Asking us to pronounce stuff for them like wind-up toys. Really enraging behavior. Stuff like that accumulates for a lifetime. Our liberal goodthinker class really doesn't understand how casually arrogant they are towards people who aren't like them.

Swamp Yankee

Colonel,

Methodism is something I'm very interested in. Everything said so far has been correct. Just to expand on it a bit, here are a number of observations I'd make (full disclosure: much of this comes from an American Religious History class I taught a decade ago; yes, I am a recovering Academic - got the degree and ran; they are divorced from the People of this country, most of them, and I wasn't happy among them; that said, there are still some old school humanists teaching good books):

Both HRC and Thatcher, I am not the first to observe, come from Methodist backgrounds, and it has been significant in the formation of a certain kind of morality among Anglophone business classes.

Methodism is associated above all with the figure of Charles Wesley, an 18th c Anglican churchman who emphasized a more emotional and direct form of Christianity. This appealed to those on the margins of British society, as noted, and effectively became the national religion in Wales, where Methodist habits, like hymn-singing, became national. There is a strong overlap between Methodism and various species of 19th c radical reform in the UK.

In the US, Methodism was part and parcel of both the First (1740s) and Second (1810-1840s) Great Awakenings. The opening of the trans-Appalachian West provided a wide theatre for evangelizing efforts, and the Methodist circuit-rider, ministering to scattered congregations in Kentucky or Indiana, became a widespread fixture of the rural 19th century landscape. Their great rivals were the Baptists, whose tendencies were towards greater doctrinal and congregational radicalism.

Significantly, Methodism became associated with the cause of reform on both sides of the Atlantic. Abolition and temperance grew out of strong Methodist roots, for instance. In addition, the above-mentioned strictures of personal sobriety and discipline meant that, in some places, Methodists began to accumulate capital in a fashion described by Max Weber in "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism", a hundred years old and still incisive.

While Methodism filled genuine social needs in the 18th and 19th century, it also had tendencies towards pious hypocrisy. In _Wuthering Heights_, for instance, the bigoted servant Joseph, is a biting satire of strenuous Yorkshire Methodism.

So the perfectionism and kind of moral absolutism you identify in HRC and also present in Thatcher, has long antecedents in the history of Methodism.

Thanks for reading and also for this blog as a whole.

LeaNder

Everybody knows and minds your business.

This is a great statement, Fred. That fits 100% my own experience when I ended up in a tiny town with 14, for the upper tertia, or the last five years of my years in school (Gymnasium), in a bigger town nearby. ... Mind you, my father was born there, which possibly made things worse. ;)

Fred

Tyler,

Edward has been saying for years he's a NYC resident. As you know on the internet no one knows you are a dog. Ruff!

Babak Makkinejad

Thanks, yes, this might be him; about the right age.

The Australian fellow mentioned that he had asked that professor to officiate at his wedding (to a Japanese woman) and he had done it in a masterly manner.

Babak Makkinejad

"tendencies towards pious (religious) hypocrisy" - common to all humankind.

turcopolier

"When Africans were taken from their homes and forced into slavery, they were separated from mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers and were torn from extensive kinship networks. Enslaved in the British colonies of North America or the free states of the American Union, the ability of Africans to reestablish nuclear families and familial support systems depended on many factors including the needs and desires of the slave owner. As the circumstances of slavery changed across time and place, the opportunities for slaves to marry, have children, and create stable family units fluctuated." Interesting. With regard to your first point, the image of probably European (?) slavers taking people from their homes is a bit of an oversimplification since many of those sold into the slave trade with the British North American colonies, Brazil and the Caribbean were already slaves in Africa, sold by their African masters for profit. Another group of them were prisoners taken in intra-African wars and disposed of as spoils of war. On your second point I would agree that the legal conditions and actual conditions of slavery in the US (nearly all the states north and south)varied widely in palce and time. None of this justifies slavery in a country the founding principles of which had been so well stated by Jefferson, but precision in description is valuable. pl

Fred

Pacifica,

"Get back to me after you've digested it...." Charming. You have all the SJW techniques down pat. It is not 1971, that was almost 5 decades ago. The US Chamber of Congress is not running public policy. For half the people in the Republic Nixon is a name they have to google.

"i have multiple friends who are core members of their churches, deacons, Pastors, and Priests. NONE of them ...:"

Your friends are not the authority on interpreting Christian conduct. Neither is the US Supreme Court nor any other subordinate court though they certainly impose policy.

" it is only recently that new generations of students have begun to use PC arguments to shut down on-campus political and academic freedoms in the same way that Conservatives have already been doing for decades..."

That is incorrect. The make up us US colleges and universities is not and has not been conservative for many decades. Yale and Berkeley as two examples are not for profit but they are at the forefront of the PC revolution. The federal government’s use of a new interpretation of Title IX is the Obama administration. Here are a trio of recent and relevant news articles to this affect:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-college-safe-spaces-sexual-harassment-edit-0404-md-20160401-story.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-glaring-evidence-that-free-speech-is-threatened-on-campus/471825/
http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/trigger-warnings-safe-spaces-and-microaggressions-teaching-questions-of-freedom-of-speech-on-campus/

“The "Drug War" - which is what is *ACTUALLY* responsible for the destruction of … families and communities (rather than your quite fantastically short-sighted prejudice …) - was almost entirely a product of Republican efforts. “

The “War on Poverty” and the “Great Society” were LBJ initiatives passed by a democratically controlled house and senate. LBJ was a Democrat. Americans – including blacks - have agency. The government does not cause people to take or to sell drugs but puts them in jail when they are tried and convicted for doing so. “Providing housing, food and clothing”. Most families are capable of providing food, clothing and housing for their families without the need for government handouts.

turcopolier

Pacifica Advocate

Here is an example of a slave wedding at Arlington House. http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-washington-family-tree-biracial-article-1.2796081 pl

Fred

Pacifica,

I recommend you contact this person to see if he has any other insights on what constitutes proper Christian conduct:
http://w2.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html

"I may be wrong, of course, but for my own part....well, i have actually lived through the last 30 years of US academic devolution, and i'm quite amused that you think University support of students equates with resentment of the people who paid them to get educated."

Well comrade Taiwan is not the United States. Taxpayer funded universities in the US will either follow the directions given in regards to the funding or lose the tax dollars regardless of the hurt feelings of tenured faculty.

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