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18 August 2016

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Babak Makkinejad

The Russian and Polish nobles had the same attitude towards the serfs as what you attribute to the "Davos Crowd."

Poland was an interesting example since the Nobles considered themselves to be "Poland" and did everything they could to prevent any changes in Poland to address the rise in power of the Prince of Muscovy.

They presided over the extinction of the Polish State.

turcopolier

smoothiex12

"what, for me personally (I am sure for many others), made this country great once. Or maybe, just maybe, it is the truth which is coming out now and it was always like that;-)" Perhaps you were just wrong headed to expect something other than a country like all others. pl

alba etie

Kunuri
Thanks as always for your on the ground perspective in Turkey . Any opinions about Turkey leaving NATO and or joining the Shanghai Cooperation Council ?

SmoothieX12

Perhaps you were just wrong headed to expect something other than a country like all others

US is not the country like all others. As strange as it may sound from me, but US is an exceptional nation--it is just that this exceptionalism has nothing to do with the one which is being promoted ad nauseam by neocons and...exceptionalists. A conflation of incredibly fortunate natural and geopolitical factors do make US exceptional and also allowed it to move along without (with the exception of Civil War and Great Depression) any political cataclysms. The US Constitution is unique and its implications and ramifications are massive. Staying free from wars for more than 150 years also contributed to this uniqueness. Sadly, wrong conclusions were derived from it and, together with US failing to become a nation (in a true not-liberal sense), it played a tragic role for both US and the world.

SmoothieX12

Debka is Israel's equivalent of STRATFOR. When it comes to Russia neither has any clue.

kooshy

In Iran Yazdis ( from a central desert province) are generally known to be honest, hardworking, and good with business, as well as very stiff and careful with spending. i thought Mr. Khatami was too honest and extremely naive for this environment.

kooshy

Yes indeed as well as some ancient artifacts.

LeaNder

"Chechans of course "dindu nuff'n"

see me skeptic in this context too. ...

never mind our differences otherwise.

Chris Chuba

Col, you are 100% correct to make a distinction between individual violations vs. state sponsored cheating.

Whenever I look at accusations against Russia there is always less there than meets the eye. I am getting tired of looking.

The link below is thorough but I'll summarize what I found to be the best points ...
1. Almost the entire allegation depends on the testimony of one person who was a director of sports in Russia then fired by them and now residing in the U.S.
2. One of the most critical parts of the cheating process was the tampering of samples in tamper proof bottles but no method has been presented on how that was done.
3. They did not accept any interviews or allow the Russians to respond to the allegations or counter the ex-pat's testimony.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/08/11/a-rush-to-judgment-on-russian-doping/

So the heart of the doping scandal is to say, yeah, the doping rate of the Russians is not that excessive but there were a lot of Russian athletes who didn't get caught because of Russia's clever methods. Actually, the MSM likes to imply that the Russian doping rate was excessive when it actually was not. The official reason for the punishment is because of the state sanctioned conspiracy angle and the suspicion that the 'true' doping rate was actually much higher.

Here is an easy to read breakdown of the actual doping statistics in the Olympics for all countries
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/outrage-doping-scandal-yet-another-example-anti-russian-double-standard/ri15087

LeaNder

I am a fan of the Swizz Gisons, admitted, been there recently again, whatever language variant you prefer for the region. Never too interested in Davos itself though.

But since "Davos " recently surfaced here, I have to admit I always wondered about Erdoghan post this Davos event:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grisons

PeteM

I agree with pl that the US doesn't have any new options to use against Russia but the old options seem to be somewhat effective and will continue. Sanctions and economic/military/political pressure won't bring Russia to its knees but they do cause pain, stagnation and a military buildup that wastes scarce resources. The BRICS that were supposed to be the foundation of some multipolar response to the Borg don't seem to have had much mortar to hold them together and have crumbled.

The fact that Putin is now firmly stuck to the tarbaby Assad in Syria does offer an opportune target for the Red Queen to use to show that Russia also has limited options and she is coming with a lit torch to set that tarbaby alight.

Chris Chuba

Russian Olympic Doping
I posted my summary of the Russian doping story above. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the allegations are false. To quote a favorite of ours, 'WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?' After all, we all know that life's not fair.

This story was broken by the NY times, over the years the U.K./U.S. press have broken stories that all seem to be specifically targeted to discredit Putin in the eyes of the Russians.
1. The Olympics was his baby to make Russia look good the west, oops.
2. Putin the crook (he embezzled $40B according to two Oligarchs).
3. Putin murders journalists and ex-pats.

All of these allegations are sketchy. I believe this to be a concerted campaign by some elements of the Borg. It is just too systematic. I'm starting to sound like Paul Craig, if I start talking about 9/11 conspiracies, slap me.

turcopolier

smoothiex12

"Staying free from wars for more than 150 years also contributed to this uniqueness. Sadly, wrong conclusions were derived from it and, together with US failing to become a nation (in a true not-liberal sense)," You seem to have missed the War of 1812, The Mexican War, the Civil War, various more or less continuous wars with the Indians, the Spanish American War, the Philippine Insurrection. My definition of a "nation" is a group of people who share a culture and the language that carries it. what is yours? pl

SmoothieX12

You seem to have missed the War of 1812, The Mexican War, the Civil War, various more or less continuous wars with the Indians, the Spanish American War, the Philippine Insurrection.

I didn't miss Civil War. As per War of 1812, while great on psychological impact, the actual brunt of it (casualties wise) was very limited. Let's put it this way--total casualties in this war amounted to about first 2-3 hours of Borodino Battle. Civil War, yes--it was a massive impact in blood and treasure which dwarfed War of 1812. War of 1812 is also the war against invader. The rest--pretty much expeditionary wars not fought on US territory or fought against supremely inept (Mexico) adversary.

My definition of a "nation" is a group of people who share a culture and the language that carries it. what is yours?

Mostly agree, but ethnicity, that is blood, is still a part of it. I would add this to otherwise correct definition.

Babak Makkinejad

I am aware of that and also that to one used to standard German, that dialect is too crass and uncouth.

I doubt a German male would like to be seen in public in the company of a Grison-speaking woman; no matter how stylish and dolled up she is (excepting, perhaps, a desperate Schwabian.)

The Twisted Genius

smoothiex12,

As the Colonel said/implied, we have a long history of war. Almost continuous. I would say there is a strong link between our wars of manifest destiny and our Borg wars. There is even a similarity between our enemies in a lot of those wars. We often out-gunned them, both on this continent and abroad... with the notable exception of our fight with Red Cloud. He kicked our ass. Perhaps the Borg have been in our collective DNA from the beginning.

SmoothieX12

The Russian GOVERNMENT apparently systematically sponsored doping athletes for increased performance

Soviet government did, in case of contemporary Russia a lot of doping cases (the ones which were proven) were done through initiatives of some of the federations and, quite often, even individual coaches. And then, of course, there is a case of Meldonium and this is where this whole doping narrative breaks down. Athletes were taking it while it was not-forbidden substance which it became only in January this year. This is for the drug which was in production since...drum roll..1970s.

The Twisted Genius

smoothiex12,

A point I forgot to make was that our wars, for the most part, did not subject us to the trauma of defeat or pyrrhic victory. Most were won without excessive, for the time, casualties. Our war against Red Cloud being a notable exception.

lally

As proudly documented by an anti-regime Syrian journalist/activist, the propaganda vehicle has gone far beyond the American outlets participating in this collective "borgasm" of hypocritical caterwauling:

"Omran the Syrian child who survived a Russian airstrike first page of most of the international newspapers"

https://mobile.twitter.com/3z0ooz/status/766597014855483392?p=v

turcopolier

Smoothiex12

"War of 1812 is also the war against invader' No. We attempted to invade Canada several times and were defeated. casualties? As father used to say if you were killed in a skirmish against Apaches in Arizona or at Gettysburg you were equally dead. Blood ties? How European an attitude. By that judgement the US could never be a "nation," which is fine with me. BTW my wife found another Mayflower passenger in my family tree. That makes six. I am not much in favor of nationalism. Along with organized religion and economic ideology (Marxism) it is a great killer of people. pl

SmoothieX12

As father used to say if you were killed in a skirmish against Apaches in Arizona or at Gettysburg you were equally dead

There is, obviously, a huge difference between being killed as part of expeditionary force or being killed fighting on the outskirts of own town (village, city). This is a substantive and a very significant difference. This is called a conditioning by continental warfare. Numbers, scale and proportions here matter a great deal, in fact, define long term outcomes.

Along with organized religion and economic ideology (Marxism) it is a great killer of people

I am no fan of Marxism either, as per religion (me being what late Oriana Falacci called Christian atheist)--I may be against it or not, but it is a bond and a very serious one. Let's put it this way, while Samuel Huntington was not necessarily accurate in many of his views, he certainly got it right in his seminal work regarding one of the major factors in peoples' self-identification. He definitely atoned with his Clash Of Civilizations for his earlier war-mongering and it still, 23 years later, remains relevant, unlike the other book.

Edward

Apparently, Russia is contemplating adopting a first strike nuclear policy and attacking the NATO bases along its border. The situation is discussed in this article:

www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/siv-oneall/68590/we-need-to-distance-ourselves-from-nato-if-we-want-to-avoid-war

and this interview:

scotthorton.org/interviews/2016/08/10/81016-alastair-crooke/

SmoothieX12

Agree with this point. But that is the whole point--attitudes to war change in direct variation with losses in blood and treasure. As per that:

Perhaps the Borg have been in our collective DNA from the beginning

A fundamental question today is this: is warfare endemic in American system (institutions) or is it a result of mutation which can theoretically be reversed? I do have an opinion on that but I am still not 100% sure. It is a complex issue, at this point I lean towards the latter. Albeit I still keep in mind "Remember The Main, To Hell with Spain".

SmoothieX12

Borgist dream? They want to re-write Ismay's formulation of NATO's

They are, actually, quite busy with rewriting the history of the 20th Century and the history of warfare. They also have quite a few helpers from those who are seemingly not Borg.

turcopolier

smoothisx12

If you are going to comment here use quotation marks around other people's statements. Are you Russian or German? Like some of the continental Europeans here you appear to be very solemn, without humor and condescending. You appear to want to argue for the sake of argument. Your judgmental remarks about American history and culture are not appreciated. Perhaps you should find some other place to enlighten. pl

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