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02 August 2016

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jld

I find this EXTREMELY worrying!
What it means is that Erdogan is in full panic mode and unable to settle for a consistent course of action, be it toward either side.
This guarantee that the shit will hit the fan one way or another.

rakesh wahi

Watch what we do not what we say (Richard Nixon)

turcopolier

rakesh wahi

"I AM NOT A CROOK!" (Richard Nixon

Matthew

Col: Are the Turks just trying to save face?

Matthew

There is insanity. And then there is real insanity. See https://www.brookings.edu/2016/08/01/what-to-do-when-containing-the-syrian-crisis-has-failed/

b

Kerry made exactly the same demand to Russia.

Notice that no major U.S. media, as far as I can tell, has reported that there is a major ongoing attack on gov held Aleppo by 5,000+ Jihadis.

AFP says Russia is continuing to defend against that "despite" Kerry's crazy demand to hold "offensive" action. Do these journos think when they write?

The Jihadis seem to get a beating. What they took yesterday in Aleppo they mostly lost today. I hope that Syria/Russia has some forces in reserve when the Jihadis break off and retreat. Perfect chance for a wide ranging pursue run against a weakened enemy.

RenegadePrimate

I wanted to believe in a Turkish pivot, but I plumbed for calling it a curve instead because it was the product of exigency, not choice. In other words, if those exigent circumstances receded, or were perceived to have done so, and/or ideological hubris achieved a sort of organic breakout; then Turkey would snap straight back to the course the sultan originally had her on.

The one alternative explanation is this is a bone that will be thrown to the (Islamist) masses every now and then while cooperation with Russia proceeds covertly. IDK.

rakesh wahi

you got me there

Ghostship

Patrick Cockburn is now reporting that maybe the recent coup was far larger than it appeared.
Many Turks have taken time to wake up to the seriousness of what has happened. But it is becoming clear that the attempted putsch was not just the work of a small clique of dissatisfied officers inside the armed forces; it was rather the product of a vast conspiracy to take over the Turkish state that was decades in the making and might well have succeeded.
http://www.unz.com/pcockburn/once-the-great-hope-of-the-middle-east-turkey-is-weak-and-unstable/
So perhaps Erdogan is making these demands so that he appears strong and deflects others from threatening his regime. Whether he expects Syria or Russia to heed his demands is another matter. Perhaps Assad and Putin have okayed this to help their new partner out. Erdogan's biggest fear at the moment must be a "colour revolution" from the NED/DNI/IRI/CIA and let's not forget George Soros now that Turkey is realigning with members of the Axis of Evil.

Fred

Col.,

I wonder just how many ISIS operatives were funneled into Europe by Turkey and if any of them might now be in Russia? Perhaps they even have some on holiday for the Olympic games in Rio.

William Fitzgerald

Pat Lang,

Since he was speaking to the high poobah of the high negotiations committee, I suspect it was a meaningless show of support.

WPFIII

Bill Herschel

As pl points out, neither Kerry nor Erdogan is in a position to demand anything.

The demand is coming from the other side: ISIS/KSA are demanding that Turkey and the U.S. take a stand in favor of "Jihadi World". Hard to believe that the U.S. is a Satrapy.

turcopolier

Tyler

I just watched it and have it in a post I am composing on her health. What else do you have? pl

turcopolier

Bill Herschel

"Satrapy." No, "vilayet." pl

Bill Herschel

Funneling into Russia is slightly more difficult than funneling into Europe. I know a person who recently applied for a visa to visit Russia. You have to have an invitation from an agency of some sort in Russia, and you have to provide every detail of your life.

I would guess that if you are discovered to be in Russia illegally, you have a serious problem on your hands.

Bill Herschel

A great pleasure to learn more.

hemeantwell

Pure speculation but, given what we've been hearing about the possibility of a follow-up coup, which Erdogan sees as NATO-linked, he might want to appear to be backing off from changing his Syria policy until he is more confident of control?

Dubhaltach

In reply to b 02 August 2016 at 09:34 AM

Do these journos think when they write?

Opinion is divided between those who:

1) Believe that they think very hard about how to please their bosses.

2) Those who believe that they're so indoctrinated that the stuff they write comes automatically.

3) Some combination of 1 and 2 above.

michael brenner

Why are we surprised when a mentally unbalanced leader behaves in a mentally unbalanced manner? That is because we all find it extremely discomforting to face a reality which our own logical minds cannot comprehend - and wherein even the immediate future is unpredictable.

Jack

All

If Trump can develop a friendly and cooperative relationship with Russia as he claims he will pursue, that IMO, is reason enough to vote for him. We can't take the risk of a military confrontation with Russia which is a high probability event with the Borg Queen.

Fred

Bill,

".... if you are discovered to be in Russia illegally..."

Yes, it is in the USA that you are treated better than an American taxpayer. Of course when you are looking to enter paradise though a suicide attack you have "no serious problem on your hands" when discovered by the Russian security forces you have your ticket to heaven punched.

ToivoS

This is disturbing news but it might also just be the difficult transition when one is forced to accept a new reality. Namely the Turks policy towards Syria was an unmitigated error and they want a little more time to accept that fact. A devastating defeat of their proxy forces in Aleppo might force them to accept that new reality a little sooner than they are psychologically equipped to do. Unfortunately the Russians and Syrians are facing a deadline. They better get this battle in Aleppo over before Hillary comes in so she won't be tempted to call for "safe" and no fly zones over Northwestern Syria.

Charles Michael

Erdogan is at odds withe USA, Nato, UE, maybe also KSA and the GCC, most internaly in power restauration mode by massive purges of all state structures. What remain as power base is the most exalted part of Turk nationalist population.
A consequent portion of it being rather approving of jihadists and even Daesh.

Within one week of his meeting in Russia, with all uncertainty and speculations associated, Erdogan had to take this stand. Also for him the fall of Aleppo is in this perspective probably premature.

Seamus Padraig

"The one alternative explanation is this is a bone that will be thrown to the (Islamist) masses every now and then while cooperation with Russia proceeds covertly."

For now, that's the view that I'm taking. Otherwise it makes little sense.

Thomas

Agree, words cost nothing and there is no need to take any action except for the photo shoot.

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