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15 August 2016

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Fred

To pull a few quotes from the article:
" How do we harness such “youthful passion,” Adams asked, “without destroying the basic fabric of our democratic society?” (Senator) ” Brooke gave what some considered a patronizing speech … He illustrated social progress by citing a national decline in poverty rates, …”

Look at the wonderful things Hilary’s approach has done for black poverty. I believe we should could it the Detroit effect. “Scoring debater’s points seems, on occasion, to have higher standing.” Well, she’s at least got that going for her.

r whitman

Cheap shot pulling up an almost 50 year old quote. You can do better than that!!

Freudenschade

Col.,

Why is youth wasted on the young?

Dr. K

Might as well talk about how Kerry didn't earn his Vietnam medals.

raven

No her can't

Macgupta123

Whatever Wellesley College has released of the young Hillary Rodham's remarks are available at this youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CAUOa5m5nY

Get it unfiltered without a WaPo intermediary.

Macgupta123

And here is the text of Hillary Rodham's speech:
http://www.wellesley.edu/events/commencement/archives/1969commencement/studentspeech

turcopolier

r whitmam

I will tolerate that ad hominem because you are an old hand here, but don't do it again. In my experience people do not change much after they are about 20. You want her as president? Fine. I don't want either one of them. if you want to complain, do it to the Post, not me. What she did to Ed Brooke was contemptible. pl

Macgupta123

Just to point out the nature of those times, so different from today, two data points:

1963: Emily Wick ScD '51 becomes the first female tenured faculty member at MIT (Food Technology).

1968: Caltech announces it will be co-ed from the 1970 session onwards.

Macgupta123

One more data point - Shana Alexander, "The Difficulties of Being Hillary", Playboy, January 1994: "In 1963...fifteen-year-old Hillary [Rodham] wrote to NASA asking what subjects to study to prepare for becoming an astronaut. NASA wrote back that no females need apply".

Pamela Sargent wrote a science fiction short story "Hillary orbits Venus" beginning with this, in which Hillary marries Richard Feynman.

r whitman

I apologize.

turcopolier

r whitman

Accepted. pl

HankP

There are some other quotes you missed -

Even then, Clinton “was a person who got what the system was,” recalled Eleanor “Eldie” Acheson, granddaughter of former secretary of state Dean Acheson.

Clinton circulated a note asking students for ideas. She wanted to create an “activist forum from which no ideas are excluded.”

Her conciliatory style was too soft for some students who wanted more radical change. “Hillary worked with the deans,” recalled classmate Dorothy Devine, “rather than circumventing the rules.”

In her new role, Clinton met regularly with Adams and Wellesley’s vice president, Philip M. Phibbs, a political-science professor. She was an “honest broker” for the students, Phibbs recalled, but didn’t rock the boat.

...

Clinton said later that she had a “fundamental disagreement” with Alinsky’s theory that change could come only from outside the system.

...

“She didn’t see it as her speech,” said Jan Piercy, a close friend who later worked in Bill Clinton’s administration. Piercy recalled Clinton tapping fellow students on the shoulder, asking, “What should I say?”

“She was on a listening tour,” said friend Ann Rosewater. Responses poured in.

...

Also, how you can call her speech contemptible and somehow get the idea that it makes her a neocon seems selective reading at best.

turcopolier

Hank P

I said that what she did to Ed Brooke was contemptible. Try to quote me correctly. She is a neocon because she wants to change the nature of foreign cultures and societies. That is a basic neocon goal. She has no military knowledge and will send the US military on many other errands like Iraq and the surge in Afghanistan because IMO she is an ignorant ideologue. Have you no knowledge at all of the positions she took within the Obama Administration? pl

turcopolier

Dr K

He did not deserve the three Silver Stars. Nothing he did justified them. He got out of the boat and walked around bit. for one of them he fished a sailot out of the water. Big deal! pl

Sam Peralta

"She has no military knowledge and will send the US military on many other errands like Iraq and the surge in Afghanistan because IMO she is an ignorant ideologue."

Col. Lang

Her claim is that she's got the experience and is the "trusted" hand on the nuke button. Although her track record of judgment on foreign affairs as both a senator and Secretary of State is proof that she is an "ignorant ideologue". She will for certain send others kids on fools errands in distant lands to satisfy her and the Clinton Foundation's donors lust for blood, all in the name of the cause of changing the nature of foreign cultures and showing them who is boss. IMO, she will be ultra hawkish to prove that a woman can be commander-in-chief of the US military.

All we can pray for is that she doesn't bumble into a nuclear confrontation with Russia.

VietnamVet

Colonel,

I missed her first moment of fame. She didn’t register with me until she was running for First Lady. A lot of their old pictures are now floating around. Bill loves the camera as much as JFK but Hillary is no Jackie. She lacks charisma. Bill’s charm is gone since he became ill. Americans will be lucky if this is the last hurrah by the “me generation”.

The real question is how did she become one with the Globalists and Wall Street. I assume it is because that is where the money is at; being broke after leaving the White House. Her attempts at being an insider do-gooder thwarted. If it’s the money; Okay. She may back off from blowing up the world

But, if she really believes the Democrat’s propaganda that Vladimir Putin is out to get America and Donald Trump is his stooge, she will to go to the edge to destabilize the Kremlin. She’ll believe this is the reason why she was elected President. One mistake could trigger a nuclear war. This is the ultimate danger of today’s corruption and information operations. Lies and false beliefs become reality to the leaders.

Emad

Colonel,

I should like to disagree with your characterization of neocons.

Neocons don't want to "make the lions and the lambs lie down in peace together." Au contraire, they want the lamb to bleat how wonderful it is to be lamb; how mesmerizing it is to be eaten by THE lion (not a lion or lions, no sir; the lion, for there's never been, nor will there ever be a lion again), and to sell memorialized rituals of the slaughter to the hoggets as inevitable progress to the pinnacle of worshiping the lion that ate their dads.

Hillary is a different creature. She may parrot neocon talking points; channel militant feminists' rage; play the reformer from within, or even adopt some never-again version of R2P slogans. However, she doesn't believe any of these. Not for a minute. All she cares about; all that she thinks is left for her to do, is to obtain and exercise the highest power in the land.

Would she send the U.S. military on expensive boondoggles? Likely. If she did so, would it be because she has a warped view of human nature, and other cultures and societies, so she thinks they're amenable to evolving into a higher form of social life called whatever? No. That's not the reason. The reason is the childlike nihilism of I really want to press that button, just to see how everything can go to s**t. Have you looked at her eyes? Did you find the least bit of empathy (for anything) in them?

Thought so. She. Just. Doesn't. Care.

Herb

The Democrats tried very hard to find a more widely disliked, old, ugly, scandal-plagued, tone-deaf, uninspiring, treadworn, blinkered, compromised, myopic, war-hungry, unwise woman to beat Donald Trump like a mule, and carry on Obama's liberal legacy, but it was short notice, and they couldn't find one.

Edward

"social reconstruction" and "human reconstruction" sound like buzzwords. It is not obvious to me what the debate is supposed to about. Clinton reminds me a bit of the "best and the brightest".

ex-PFC Chuck

Re: “All we can pray for is that she doesn't bumble into a nuclear confrontation with Russia.”

It appears that Hilary is intent on ramping up the confrontation she helped get us into as SoS, so what we really need to pray for is that we don’t bumble from confrontation into nuclear war.

For her to claim that hers “is the "trusted" hand on the nuke button” is disingenuous because it’s not her hand on the button. However, it will be her decisions and actions that determine how close above the buttons the hands of those officers who are there must hover when on high alert. Only in recent years has the general public learned of incidents on both sides that very nearly tipped the world into nuclear war in October, 1962.

http://thebulletin.org/okinawa-missiles-october8826
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili-arkhipov-stopped-nuclear-war

Then there’s the sadly well proven neocon inclination to shop for the intelligence that supports their pre-selected desired actions. We know how that has turned out. The neocon’s predecessors weren’t in the ascendent in 1962, but there were intelligence failures none the less. Most notably, Kennedy et al were being told there were no nuclear warheads on the island where in fact they later found out they were there in the high double digits. And more than a dozen small ones were installed on short range missiles that the USSR was considering targeting on the US fleet if there was an invasion.

mike

It was only one Silver Star, not three. And there was no sailor in the water. It was a soldier, a 5th Special Forces Group advisor James Rassman, who was rescued reportedly while under fire. He had been thrown off Kerry's PCF by the force of an mine explosion on the PCF next to Kerry's.

Tyler

Sir,

Nothing like an attack on the Borg Queen to cause all her drones to arrive en masse.

turcopolier

mike

OK. One Silver star. pl

kao_hsien_chih

I think trying to place the times in context is a bit of, eh, misguiding adventure.

It struck me that a lot of female political leaders like Clinton, Golda Meier, Indira Gandhi, and probably Maggie Thatcher have a bit of overaggression in their system. It may be that they want to overcompensate for the prejudice (that holds them to be weak) that they are subject to, maybe they really do want to prove that women can be as good a warmonger as "the boys," or whatever. I find warlike posturing from political leaders contemptible enough, but I find women wrapping aggression and domination in the guise of "gender rights" disgusting. Who's her role model? Irma Grese, who proved that women can be just as sadistic murderers and war criminals as men can?

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