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02 August 2016

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Dubhaltach

In reply to LeaNder 03 August 2016 at 01:07 PM

Can we take it that appreciating irony from others is not your strong point?

As you wade through the search results that google presents I urge you strongly to ignore any page that claims "irony" means "tasting somewhat of iron".

michael brenner

Who figures in your pantheon of a tiny elite: Jaime Dimon, Mark Zuckerberg, Donald Trump, Justin Beiber, the Kochs, the chiefs of Volksvagen?

Or, did you have in mind Fulton, Edison, Fleming, plus Lincoln, Roosevelt, and the European statesmen who build the unique and unprecedented well-being we have enjoyed for 70 years?

If the former - and their ilk - all disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, we'd be considerably better off. if the latter had never existed, we'd truly and literally still be in the Dark Ages. So please clarify your selection?

jld

Are you sure all of your senses work 100%?

Definitely not!
Nobody has, had or ever will ever have "perfect information".
So I am returning you the question:
Are you sure all of YOUR senses work 100%?
Because you seem to think that it is "good practice" to try to fill the gaps with whimsical fantasies WHICH CANNOT BE CHECKED in any way, whatsoever.

Reality is only a perception.

Not quite, this the very, very old BS harking back to Zhuang Zhou who pretended that he could not make any difference between dreaming and awakening:
http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/butter.htm
You don't just "perceive" reality at any given instant you also check and compare the present with remembrances of similar situations.
Granted, that's not an entirely fool proof guarantee either.

Truth is what most people accept as truth.

So you are a post-modernist?
There is no truth and that you can claim anything you like by properly "deconstructing" other people words?
Indeed, there is no such thing as absolute truth but there certainly is absolute balderdash, if you act according to wrong beliefs you eventually lose and "reality" will rub your nose in this fact even if you cannot figure how and why you ended up there.

But can you tell me what is outside?

No, but you cannot either and I won't take sh*t from anyone.


Fred

Michael,

"Jaime Dimon, Mark Zuckerberg, Donald Trump, Justin Beiber, the Kochs, the chiefs of Volksvagen?" All the above. I also include most of our consultants and lobbyists too.

"Fulton, Edison, Fleming, plus Lincoln, Roosevelt, and the European statesmen who build the unique and unprecedented well-being we have enjoyed for 70 years?"

Fulton, etc did not labor under the current regulatory climate. The "unique and unprecedented well-being" requires an understanding of the work to create and maintain that civilization. We have been eroding that for one special interest group or another since at least the 1960s.

Richard Sale referenced Ortega's book "The Revolt of the Masses " on the Athenaeum not long ago. I believe what Ortega was writing about then is very applicable today. The"vertical rise of the barbarians", which is I believe how he phrased it, is having an erosive impact on our society. These would be both the citizens and non-citizen residents who demand the benefits of our civilization and its high standard of living but do not understand (nor are willing to support) the underlying mechanics of how it came into being nor how it must be maintained. As Heinlein put it this is "bad luck".

Fred

Balint,

"...the present ilk who despise and lecture you un the name of tolerance."

That is happening on this side of the Atlantic also.

Balint Somkuti

IT is assaulting to call someone beliefs 'shit'.

Humbleness is the mark of great cultures. Those who forget about it are quick to disappear.

LeaNder

I love irony and humor, maybe not as much if it is linked to a victim narrative by the speaker?

In other words I sense: a modification of the PC-terrorism-narrative and its unfortunate and suffering victims. In this case the speaker. Laguerre_a-PC-tolerance-terrorist? BS: "I disagree. If I may. If not please crucify me in the name of tolerance."

Beyond: Which ever way you like it or simply: As you like it.

michael brenner

"one special interest group or another since at least the 1960s."

I presume you are referring to Wall Street, the Industrial-Military Complex, the Intelligence Empire, and the Silicon valley scammers.

michael brenner

Your professor picked the wrong date. Rome's population by 450 already had been more than halved and most of the Western Empire overrun by destruction barbarians. He should have used 350 or 375.

jld

:-D
I am not a "culture" and given my age I do expect to disappear quite soon.

Balint Somkuti

No, Sir u r not a culture. But what u represent is one. And it is to be disappear soon.

Thank God.

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