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26 August 2016


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My mistake that was not the correct link. RIP Gene Wilder while we're there.

Let me try it again.



Sorry that nuance bothers you. In fact, anything other than total agreement with your pov seems to bother you.


Pacifica Advocate

"Pre-Civil-War slaves weren't free, so the statistic is basically meaningless." There were many free blacks in the South ante bellum, perhaps some of them were lynched. Some of them owned slaves. You obviously have an axe to grind about this. I will be glad to "dance" with you over your assertion that the south was basically a concentration camp for slaves. if what you say about the supposedly unlimited misery of their lives is so why did the Black population of the US keep increasing strongly after the end of importation in 1806? Illegal importation? I would like to see you document that if you make that claim. pl


Pacifica Advocate

I am warning you for the first and only time that for me to allow you to comment here will require civility, reasoned discourse and respect for the views of others from you. Otherwise I will ban you from the site. I do not claim to apply these rules with perfect neutrality, but the site belongs to me. pl


Pacifica Advocate

"any sane person's" This ad hominem precedes my caution to you so I will let it go. pl



Yes, rent for campaign offices and overcharging on swag. So much like the millions from foreign governments to CGI so as to gain access to the US Secretary of State and high paying jobs for family members and assorted cronies.

Babak Makkinejad

I think in Canada you are talking of at least 5 nations: the Catholic English, the Protestant English, the French, the Natives, and the Immigrants.

In Mexico, you are likely discussing the Spaniards, the Mestizos, and the descendants of the various tribes before the Conquest - say at least 10 of them are still important in the politics of Mexico.

So, Mexico will have 12 nations, Canada 5, and US likely 18.

You would need a new structure to handle all this diversity.

Babak Makkinejad

Forgot to add:

There is not going to be any rise in sea levels. That point was established in the Nature article that I supplied the URL to on the Global Warming place holder thread. The Antarctic ice is not going to melt.



If 11 million illegal immigrants can figure out how to leave their nations of origin and come to the US to work and create a better life for themselves then I suggest the particular members of the black community you are concerned about do the same by throwing off the shackles of intellectual oppression leftists like yourself have enslaved them with and that they leave the communities of chronic unemployment that are run by democratic party machines – such as Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago and move to where the jobs are.

"These are not negligible elements."
Sounds like a threat. It might be more effective for you to register to vote and then vote for someone other than the people who keep oppressing you in the city you can't figure out how to leave.

Peter Reichard

Perhaps I have not been clear enough. Identity politics which predates the existence of the Alt Right by several decades is largely anti White male in orientation. I oppose all of it as it diverts our attention while the banksters fleece us and the Borg sets up a police state and pursues an insane foreign policy.


1) You're gonna need harder facts here than your social science voodoo that has to invent elaborate terms to explain why blacks can't maintain a first world civ. Try again. You're projecting here, but this is the modus operandi of the Left.

2) You clearly don't have a clue about what happens outside of your gated community. Look at the statistics and get back to me.

But hey, we both know you won't. Plz go walk through downtown Detroit at night. If you survive, let me know how it goes.



"Let me tell you how I KNOW what happened, not all this actual history you're showing me, you racist."




I know all about slavery's oppression. The reason I pointed out the fact that more Whites were lynched pre-CW was to show that lynching had been a popular form of entertainment in America long before it was used to terrorize Blacks. Slaves and peasants have always been cruelly treated in every country. Many of the American Indians found it entertaining to torture their enemies, and the list goes on. The US is unique in that we have surviving slave narratives transcribed by abolitionists describing the worst atrocities of slave owners. If you read the WPA histories told by ex-slaves you understand many slave owners were not cruel and considered their slaves as extensions of their families. If there are slave narratives from Arabia and South America and China and Africa, they are few and I'm not familiar with them. Human nature can be cruel. I just think it's bull to think Whites are the cruelest of the species. Though that is the gist of current popular propaganda, though Europeans were the first to abolish slavery, with the US coming in second.



Pacifica has an IP in Taiwan and is probably an American expat. pl

Mark Logan


Yes, but only the one in a movie and in passing. I assumed Tyler had seen "Braveheart" and borrowed a bit of dialog from it.


"the largest mass lynching in U.S. history took place in New Orleans in 1891 — and it wasn't African-Americans who were lynched, as many of us might assume. It was Italian-Americans.
After nine Italians were tried and found not guilty of murdering New Orleans Police Chief David Hennessy, a mob dragged them from the jail, along with two other Italians being held on unrelated charges, and lynched them all. The lynchings were followed by mass arrests of Italian immigrants throughout New Orleans, and waves of attacks against Italians nationwide."


"the mob that killed the Italians was never charged (the New York Times had an editorial supporting the lynching as a warning to other Italian “criminals”), the U.S. government sent $25,000 to Italy as restitution, an indemnity paid after almost every other lynching of an Italian in this period. Anti-Italian immigrant sentiment grew after the lynching, with increasingly negative depictions of Italians in the press, including the common association of Italians, particularly Sicilians, with the mafia. "


My own Italian-born family is light-skinned; I have green eyes, like my mother, from North Central Italy. I am of peasant stock: many of my ancestors suffered from poor nutrition in Italy; that's why they came to USA. I and others in my family carry some of the traits associated with nutritional deprivation.

Italians today have the lowest level of academic achievement of any European group in USA. A media that demonizes Italians, that makes "mafia" synonymous with "Italian," does not do a lot to inspire confidence in the young people in the Italian community.

My grandfathers dug ditches; they had difficult and lonely lives, but we Italians were not enslaved and bought and sold and brutalized. We are short of stature and have failed to thrive intellectually -- as the proud history of the Italian Renaissance would seem to predict we should -- but we were never enslaved; we did not come to the USA in actual, physical chains. If the relatively mild deprivation and discrimination that Italians endured left its mark in our group's inability to achieve, how much more devastating must be the legacy of slavery?

The people who exploit Black people for political aggrandizement and their own virtue signaling -- or distraction from their own crimes -- are the folks who earn my disgust.

Mark Logan


No, unite Americans against the offshoring of jobs. I have been talking about the politics of racial and ethnic division and we seem to have been talking past each other. I'l switch to immigration.

We aren't far apart on that except, perhaps, in methods. Illegal immigration can be fixed simply by enforcing E-verify and throwing the book at anyone who hires a non-US citizen. Kill the right person and make me king and it will happen too. However the US Chamber of Commerce stands and has always stood in the way, and by extension, Congress. The result has been we are a bit like a whore house that stations a couple of ruffians by the door to whack some every now and again to maintain appearances.



The question we must ask ourselves is this:

What did Gene Wilder know about Hillary?



You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

In this case, if the Left is serious about rolling back the ethnic tribalism, its going to have to disarm first. Otherwise, its just just going to be rightfully viewed as dissembling.



Gene Wilder saw Hillary throw a tennis ball into the street knowing Buddy would chase it and perfectly timing it for the poor labs head to meet the bumper of a speeding Freight Liner. Hillary killed Bill's chocolate lab because she's a crazy Cat Lady. Gene was going to the press but like all of Hills confidants never made it.


Mark Logan,

Because the illegal alien wants to bring more of his ilk over here. You cannot separate the two.



Quite a large line between nuance and sophistry.

I can deal with disagreement with some sort of basis beyond hypocrisy and virtue signaling. But I'll hold your purse for you while you find somewhere to fix your tampon if it bothers you so much.



I heard Hillary had enough of seeing herself called out in Willy Wonka memes and decided to do something about it.

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