SST correspondents report that there is an ongoing Turkish Army coup all over the country to include small towns. The two Bosporus bridges are blocked by the army as would be the case if the cup is centered in Anatolia and the putschists do not want interference from Turkish 1st Army who are based in Thrace. pl
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/turkey-government/491579/
. . . Talking of Brexit blowback, it didn’t take them long to dump on Erdogan for starting to talk to Vlad. A major terror attack and an attempt coup since his grovelling letter to Moscow.
Ergo -- could be westerners
Posted by: xtomixx | 16 July 2016 at 10:20 AM
Colonel,
https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2016/Jul-16/362446-us-would-consider-extradition-request-for-exiled-cleric.ashx
Give us Gulen!
Posted by: The Beaver | 16 July 2016 at 10:23 AM
Cee
Treason is a big word. How do you define treason? Tell me how you do that if you think you are acting to save secular Turkey from medieval Islamism? you have seen bodies and bloody young soldiers? Where did you see that? pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 16 July 2016 at 10:25 AM
The Virginian,
Yes. If the situation is a real, sloppy coup attempt, or a disinformation operation using the technique of "perception management" (a technique used here in the U.S.), Erdogan will push for more political authority.
The Associated Press says that the Turkey state-run "news" agency stated that 2,745 judges were dismissed across that country. Of course, one does not know whether this or other reports can be believed.
What we do know is false is secretary of state John Kerry saying (via the Assoc. Press) on Saturday (today) that: "the U.S. opposed any attempt to overthrow a democratically elected leader. He says change must come through a constitutional process". Unless you are talking about Ukraine, Honduras, Venezuela, etc. Kerry tried to cover himself with the weasel words, "democratically elected" leader. Sorry, John. No dice.
Posted by: robt willmann | 16 July 2016 at 10:32 AM
Cee,
"a worldwide moderate Islamic movement led by a religious scholar named Fethullah Gülen"
Since you did not use quotation marks I conclude this is your opinion. How on Earth did you conclude that this is a world wide and moderate movement?
Posted by: Fred | 16 July 2016 at 10:49 AM
Erdogan has been getting rid of secularists in the military for some time, so as to weaken the military's watchdog role in keeping the country secular. The last of them will go up against the wall now.
Turkey under Erdogan has been going down the road to becoming another Islamist country, a theocracy and failed state.
This coup and its failure is probably the death knell for Turkey, as it had been, and the beginning of the deluge.
Posted by: A. Pols | 16 July 2016 at 11:08 AM
US suspends strikes against IS from Incirlik base.
https://twitter.com/garretpustay/status/754331922113896448
Posted by: Russell | 16 July 2016 at 11:16 AM
If you strike the *king, you have to kill the king. Like PL I also had the thought that this could be a provocation designed to strengthen Erdogan's hand, and to justify a purge, a kind of Turkish "Night of the Long Knives," as happened in Germany in 1934 during the Rohm "putsch." I recall Frank Gaffney saying in 1991 that Gorbachev or the KGB could have staged or provoked the August Coup to shore up the ruling clique. That doesn't seem to have happened then, but it could have happened here. That (a) the coup began and continued as something "real," and (b) at the same time was incited, provoked, and exploited by Erdogan, are not necessarily mutually exclusive propositions. Sadly I think of the DB Achilles debacle in Iraq, the failed coup against Saddam, almost exactly 20 years ago.
Posted by: Mark Riebling | 16 July 2016 at 11:22 AM
Thank you.
Posted by: Willy B | 16 July 2016 at 11:28 AM
He excerpted the first two paragraphs of the USA Today article at the link, which you would know if you had read it. One should be careful about drawing conclusions too quickly.
Posted by: Willy B | 16 July 2016 at 11:31 AM
Der Spiegel mentions that the source for the story is state news agency "Anadolu"
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/tuerkei-nach-putsch-versuch-setzt-regierung-richter-ab-a-1103338.html
Posted by: Poul | 16 July 2016 at 11:39 AM
robt,
Perception management? Like defining hate speech then rounding up political opponents like the Germans are doing right now.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160713/german-police-launch-first-nationwide-hate-speech-raids
Posted by: Fred | 16 July 2016 at 12:07 PM
Willy B,
And "..." are indicators of quoting an article. This is an old, old habit of Cee's.
Posted by: Fred | 16 July 2016 at 12:09 PM
Colonel Lang,
This has all the earmarks of a pre-emptive false flag. The level of ineptitude shown here is peculiar. There are too many unknowns at this point.
Ishmael Zechariah
Posted by: Ishmael Zechariah | 16 July 2016 at 12:38 PM
Further to that thought, if this was a genuine attempt at getting rid of Erdogan, I would not be surprised if he'd had advanced warning by loyalists within the Army, and being tipped-off, made his plans accordingly.
Also, I can't be the only one to have noticed that there's a whiff of the Brownshirts / Basij to certain parts of the AKP...
Posted by: Lord Curzon | 16 July 2016 at 12:53 PM
This article seems to say hints were available:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-coup-in-turkey-even-if-it-fails-could-lead-to-uncertainty-in-anti-isis-fight/2016/07/15/d5d181b4-4ae0-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html?tid=a_inl
Posted by: xtomixx | 16 July 2016 at 01:29 PM
To everyone at SST.
Thank you very much for all the and thought-provoking discussion on these pages. I honestly cannot find a better and more thoughtful overview of current affairs than SST.
But I am beginning to despair ever understanding what the fuck in going on in the area east of Italy and west of Bikaner. There are so many actors, so many different motivations, so many belief systems, so much money.
It just seems that whatever energy was there to barely hold together a tottering structure is now gone and the arena is disappearing into an entropic sludge.
I will most certainly keep trying, and if I come up with anything that makes sense, Y'all will be the first to know
Posted by: Degringolade | 16 July 2016 at 01:44 PM
Col. Lang,
There is a process and a coup is never acceptable. That is treason.
But, this may have been a fraud.
As of right now, Erdogan has removed the two last hurdles on his way to absolute, supreme power: holdouts in Turkey's judicial branch and in the army.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-16/erdogans-counter-coup-begins-turkey-purges-2745-judges-prosecutors-arrests-hundreds
Posted by: Cee | 16 July 2016 at 02:10 PM
Cee
You don't usually sound so naïve. Hitler was constitutionally elected. How do you feel about the 20th of July 1944 German Army attempt to overthrow him? pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 16 July 2016 at 02:14 PM
@ Willy
This may come in handy:
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/04/turkey-fethullah-gulen-cleric-opposition-erdogan-akp.html
plus include the following to understand why the two so-called friends split :-)
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/kurdish-and-german-angles-of-erdogan-gulen-rift.aspx?pageID=449&nID=61889&NewsCatID=409
Posted by: The Beaver | 16 July 2016 at 02:56 PM
Think of them as different alien planets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_to_Be_a_God_(2013_film)
Posted by: Babak Makkinejad | 16 July 2016 at 04:07 PM
Colonel, Please excuse me for responding when you were addressing Cee;
I was moved by the film "Valkyrie" starring Tom Cruz about the attempted
assassination of Hitler. My feeling after watching the film was too bad
they didn't try it sooner & how tragic their brave attempt failed.
Posted by: elaine | 16 July 2016 at 05:03 PM
Elaine
They did try it earlier, several times, and failed. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 16 July 2016 at 05:05 PM
Col. I'm sure you're correct. I'll do a bit of research & try to learn more.
I'm aware I'm a real light weight occupying the low end of the learning curve on this committee. It's not a proud position to occupy. Thanks for
allowing me to participate.
Posted by: elaine | 16 July 2016 at 05:30 PM
Colonel, 13 known attempts. The one with Johann George Elser may have
been in the "Valkyrie" film in the beginning & I forgot about it.
Posted by: elaine | 16 July 2016 at 05:52 PM