Am I correct in saying that HC's speech in San Diego was not made to some existing group but rather was an event arranged by her campaign staff in a hired venue with an audience created by them from her supporters in the area? pl
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Between Prez Gay Urkel stammering and Crooked Hillary's robotic, Speak and Say script, Emperor Trump (PBUH) is inside the OODA loop of his foes absolutely wrecking their sh-t.
Some of you already sound like you need to be talked off the ledge. November gonna be amazing.
The on-the-ground report is that people were prevented from entering with the reason given that it was a 'donors-only' campaign event. Perhaps the audience was handpicked by the campaign from their existing donor list.
If the polls are any indication she's sinking fast relative to Sanders in the coming California primary compared to a few months ago. Maybe, she's hard pressed unlike Sanders or Trump to quickly get a few thousand people to an event in California. That would likely imply the momentum is swinging against her for next week's primary. If she loses California next week that's gonna be another week of loss amplification in the media and more questions about her "inevitability".
Tyler wrote: 'Between Prez Gay Urkel stammering and Crooked Hillary's robotic, Speak and Say script, Emperor Trump (PBUH) is inside the OODA loop of his foes absolutely wrecking their sh-t.'
Very intelligent discussion. Didn't you have a thread a while back about not putting up with this any longer?
It was an audience of invited guests in a ballroom. Unlike a lot of Trump and Sanders events where the size of the audience is a major part of the message, this Clinton event was all about her ridiculing Trump's foreign policy credentials. It was billed as a major foreign policy address. It wasn't. It was an extended political attack ad.
I believe that if there are shall we say three debates between Clinton and Trump, she will have a lot on her hands. I truly wonder whether she will agree to debate him. The entire Neocon strategy is directed at silencing him.
In terms of Potemkin Village speeches, once again she is the reincarnation of George W. Bush. Vote for her, you're voting for W. in drag.
I will go further than Tyler and say that if Clinton makes foreign policy the focal point of her campaign (and how can she not? she's trapped by having been Secretary of State and by the email scandal and criminal activity, she must emphasize foreign policy) then there is hope for the U.S. and for the world.
The problem will be a false flag moment. If Putin cannot be provoked into acting rashly, the people who brought us sarin attacks in Syria will act rashly in his name. There is another possibility that has been mentioned here in the past, and I will not mention it again. it is too despicable and repellent.
So Trump's foreign policy credentials are no more or less impressive than Obama's were in 2008. That shouldn't hurt him anymore than it hurt Obama. Clinton's biggest albatross is her charter membership in the Borg Hegemony. Nuland and Pyatt worked directly for her when they destroyed Ukraine. She's a charter member of the "Assad must go" club. As far as Benghazi goes, I consider her biggest problem is her being up to her neck in the CIA scheme to transfer Libyan arms to the unicorn army in Syria. Yeah, she has baggage. Whether that matters to the electorate, I don't know.
Don't worry about your tone here. You're in neutral compared to a lot of your comments.
Colonel
There is no question in my mind, that was a staged campaign event, and not a major policy
presentation, like everything Clinton does it was fully scripted and staged. Trump for good or bad is completely spontaneous I don't think Trump is or wants or even cares to be scripted and coached.
Tyler, Agreed. Going after Trump on foreign policy is a desperate act; a political kamikaze attack. She's done.
That said, the idea was clearly for her to "give a speech" so that it could be repeated endlessly, as "news", on CCN and other unbalanced Clinton supporting outlets populated by elitist fools that just can't accept that their day in the sun is coming to an end.
Since we here sometimes try to "think the unthinkable" to see where it goes and what it implies, perhaps the other possibility should be mentioned here again, for those like me who either didn't read it when it was mentioned, or can't remember what it was. It could be carefully bracketed with all kinds of disclaimers about how despicable and repellent you know it to be and that you are certainly not accusing anyone of actually thinking about it, but rather just offering a pure hypothetical which has to be thought about in today's strange world of today.
I think there is a general disgust brewing, and Hillary's insistence that what she did is 'just like' what Colin Powell did is being met with contempt and derision by people who realize that if they'd put information on a 'private server', they'd have been doing time in jail. I also think that, more generally, people are out of patience with being lied to and expected to continue paying taxes to fund the Borg Hegemony.
Interested to read that Mike Flynn is supposedly on Trump's VP shortlist, I also note that my tip Kris Kobach is also supposedly shortlisted. I don't expect Flynn will get it but Trump has always delegated with his business affairs and I suspect he will be doing so for foreign policy, with Flynn the likely beneficiary.
A scripted speech in front of a 'hand picked' crowd. Didn't Dubya do exactly this? I remember a Borgist wannabe I worked for once being excited because he had been 'invited' to go to a public venue to cheer 'his President' on. Anyone with a Leftist 'history' was excluded from the appearance. (I knew one such who was turned away from the door.)
What H Clinton did was pure "Machine Politics."
Between Prez Gay Urkel stammering and Crooked Hillary's robotic, Speak and Say script, Emperor Trump (PBUH) is inside the OODA loop of his foes absolutely wrecking their sh-t.
Some of you already sound like you need to be talked off the ledge. November gonna be amazing.
Posted by: Tyler | 02 June 2016 at 06:34 PM
Col. You mean a campaign event? It must have been.
Posted by: Laura | 02 June 2016 at 06:42 PM
Doesn't matter. The speech sucked.
Posted by: GulfCoastPirate | 02 June 2016 at 06:51 PM
Laura
What else could I mean? pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 02 June 2016 at 07:12 PM
Sir
Don't know if the San Diego event was scripted but it seems there may be a pattern here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3621275/Emails-Clinton-staff-reviewed-remarks-questions-events.html
Now, I'm sure the Borg Queen will claim and correctly so I suppose that all politicians do it.
Posted by: Jack | 02 June 2016 at 07:13 PM
Jack
IMO nether Sanders not Trump stage manages events in this way. Look at the numbers, Her claque in that room amounted to a couple hundred. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 02 June 2016 at 07:16 PM
The on-the-ground report is that people were prevented from entering with the reason given that it was a 'donors-only' campaign event. Perhaps the audience was handpicked by the campaign from their existing donor list.
Posted by: Daniel Nicolas | 02 June 2016 at 07:43 PM
Sir
If the polls are any indication she's sinking fast relative to Sanders in the coming California primary compared to a few months ago. Maybe, she's hard pressed unlike Sanders or Trump to quickly get a few thousand people to an event in California. That would likely imply the momentum is swinging against her for next week's primary. If she loses California next week that's gonna be another week of loss amplification in the media and more questions about her "inevitability".
Posted by: Jack | 02 June 2016 at 07:51 PM
Tyler wrote: 'Between Prez Gay Urkel stammering and Crooked Hillary's robotic, Speak and Say script, Emperor Trump (PBUH) is inside the OODA loop of his foes absolutely wrecking their sh-t.'
Very intelligent discussion. Didn't you have a thread a while back about not putting up with this any longer?
Posted by: GulfCoastPirate | 02 June 2016 at 08:09 PM
It was an audience of invited guests in a ballroom. Unlike a lot of Trump and Sanders events where the size of the audience is a major part of the message, this Clinton event was all about her ridiculing Trump's foreign policy credentials. It was billed as a major foreign policy address. It wasn't. It was an extended political attack ad.
Posted by: The Twisted Genius | 02 June 2016 at 08:09 PM
I believe that if there are shall we say three debates between Clinton and Trump, she will have a lot on her hands. I truly wonder whether she will agree to debate him. The entire Neocon strategy is directed at silencing him.
In terms of Potemkin Village speeches, once again she is the reincarnation of George W. Bush. Vote for her, you're voting for W. in drag.
Posted by: Bill Herschel | 02 June 2016 at 09:24 PM
GCP,
If that's the case how are you posting here?
Posted by: Tyler | 02 June 2016 at 09:33 PM
TTG,
As far as I know Trump didnt get anyone killed in Benghazi, destabilized Libya, pressed to wreck Syria, and indirectly flood Europe with rapefugees.
She should definitely keep bringing up foreign policy.
The tone is not directed at you, btw, but her handlers.
Posted by: Tyler | 02 June 2016 at 09:34 PM
I will go further than Tyler and say that if Clinton makes foreign policy the focal point of her campaign (and how can she not? she's trapped by having been Secretary of State and by the email scandal and criminal activity, she must emphasize foreign policy) then there is hope for the U.S. and for the world.
The problem will be a false flag moment. If Putin cannot be provoked into acting rashly, the people who brought us sarin attacks in Syria will act rashly in his name. There is another possibility that has been mentioned here in the past, and I will not mention it again. it is too despicable and repellent.
Posted by: Bill Herschel | 02 June 2016 at 10:14 PM
Tyler,
So Trump's foreign policy credentials are no more or less impressive than Obama's were in 2008. That shouldn't hurt him anymore than it hurt Obama. Clinton's biggest albatross is her charter membership in the Borg Hegemony. Nuland and Pyatt worked directly for her when they destroyed Ukraine. She's a charter member of the "Assad must go" club. As far as Benghazi goes, I consider her biggest problem is her being up to her neck in the CIA scheme to transfer Libyan arms to the unicorn army in Syria. Yeah, she has baggage. Whether that matters to the electorate, I don't know.
Don't worry about your tone here. You're in neutral compared to a lot of your comments.
Posted by: The Twisted Genius | 02 June 2016 at 10:15 PM
Colonel
There is no question in my mind, that was a staged campaign event, and not a major policy
presentation, like everything Clinton does it was fully scripted and staged. Trump for good or bad is completely spontaneous I don't think Trump is or wants or even cares to be scripted and coached.
Posted by: kooshy | 02 June 2016 at 10:25 PM
Tyler, Agreed. Going after Trump on foreign policy is a desperate act; a political kamikaze attack. She's done.
That said, the idea was clearly for her to "give a speech" so that it could be repeated endlessly, as "news", on CCN and other unbalanced Clinton supporting outlets populated by elitist fools that just can't accept that their day in the sun is coming to an end.
Posted by: no one | 02 June 2016 at 10:41 PM
Bill Herschel,
Since we here sometimes try to "think the unthinkable" to see where it goes and what it implies, perhaps the other possibility should be mentioned here again, for those like me who either didn't read it when it was mentioned, or can't remember what it was. It could be carefully bracketed with all kinds of disclaimers about how despicable and repellent you know it to be and that you are certainly not accusing anyone of actually thinking about it, but rather just offering a pure hypothetical which has to be thought about in today's strange world of today.
Posted by: different clue | 03 June 2016 at 12:17 AM
TTG,
Cause I like you buddy.
Posted by: Tyler | 03 June 2016 at 12:55 AM
Colonel, where did you hear it?
Posted by: MRW | 03 June 2016 at 01:57 AM
I think there is a general disgust brewing, and Hillary's insistence that what she did is 'just like' what Colin Powell did is being met with contempt and derision by people who realize that if they'd put information on a 'private server', they'd have been doing time in jail. I also think that, more generally, people are out of patience with being lied to and expected to continue paying taxes to fund the Borg Hegemony.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/wall-street-2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-213931
Posted by: readerOfTeaLeaves | 03 June 2016 at 02:32 AM
Interested to read that Mike Flynn is supposedly on Trump's VP shortlist, I also note that my tip Kris Kobach is also supposedly shortlisted. I don't expect Flynn will get it but Trump has always delegated with his business affairs and I suspect he will be doing so for foreign policy, with Flynn the likely beneficiary.
Posted by: LondonBob | 03 June 2016 at 03:53 AM
MRW
Where did I hear what? pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 03 June 2016 at 07:24 AM
A scripted speech in front of a 'hand picked' crowd. Didn't Dubya do exactly this? I remember a Borgist wannabe I worked for once being excited because he had been 'invited' to go to a public venue to cheer 'his President' on. Anyone with a Leftist 'history' was excluded from the appearance. (I knew one such who was turned away from the door.)
What H Clinton did was pure "Machine Politics."
Posted by: ambrit | 03 June 2016 at 08:10 AM
It was a (Robert) Kennedy treatment.
Posted by: jld | 03 June 2016 at 08:15 AM