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12 June 2016


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The Beaver

Ah, that's why she is such a good bud with the general who couldn't zip it ( sorry Colonel for being unladylike), even during her campaign.

She also befriended former general and CIA Director David Petraeus, infamous for his links to torture and death squads. In 2014, Petraeus insisted Clinton would “make a tremendous President.” A year later, he proposed that the U.S. government use “moderate” members of al-Qaeda to fight ISIS.


Color me confused/naive but since when is a sitting
Secretary of State in the chain of command to approve
or disapprove the extra judicial killing of anyone?
Did POTUS Obama sign off on this or did Her
Excellency just assume the right as in Libya.



It says in the material that this was an arrangement created n the "interagency." Obama would have been aware of that arrangement and accepted it. pl


I just finished reading The Panther, by ___ de Mille, a fictionalized account of US persons hunting down and killing, by Hellfire missiles shot from drones, the planner of the attack on the USS Cole. I don't know if the US undertook specific actions to find and punish someone for the Cole, but since Osama bin Laden is said to have been the mastermind, and since USA killed him & tossed his corpse into the sea, the answer must be, Yes, the USA avenged the attack on the Cole.

Four days ago I joined a small group in Arlington Cemetery to mark the 49th anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty by Israeli air force. To the best of my knowledge, the USA has taken no action to avenge the killing of 34 US sailors/citizens in 1967.
I don't think there's been a novel or a Hollywood movie about the attack on the Liberty.
I talked to two women whose brothers were killed on the Liberty. It's real, not fiction.


Let's face it: when no one is running the show, and your organization is stocked with audacious people operating on their own account in an environment that places premiums and being pro-active all kinds of bizarre things are going to happen. There are proximate causes for each, but the key factor is misguided strategy and lack of oversight.


And after hubris nemesis.


Apparently today's Orlando SOB jahadi gunman, was a US born citizen from Afghan parents. IMO for this brutal killings, the people of US should thank (blame) Zbig (and his Saudi madresseh financiers), for his "great ideas" of giving USSR their own VN. I am sure if someone ask this SOB, if it was worth it, he will reply with a yes. IMO this thing will not be over till it is all over.


The following link might fit better under the latest Syria post, but it comes from Salon and it's about the Borg lies regarding Syria, so I'll stick it here. Definitely worth reading. I haven't yet tried to find the story that the Syrian Observatory out out that was discredited by journalists on the scene, but that was the most interesting part to me.


Babak Makkinejad

A Sunni Muslim Afghan, almost certainly hailing from outside of the Old Seljuk boundary (are you paying attention LeaNder?).



We can also thank the Dems for wanting to import more violent foreigners as long as they vote the right way as well.


My apologies to those here who might find this very off-topic. IMHO it does explain a great deal about Balkan history with a comprehensive summary of the recent powers (the US, EU, and Russia) that have intervened over the past 25+ years and their various roles up to the present: http://www.newstatesman.com/world/2016/06/next-balkan-wars


sick wahhibis....


Will Reks


I'm curious as to why the FBI hasn't yet requested to interview HRC.


Here's a key quote from the article.

"The FBI has not yet interviewed Clinton as part of its investigation. As CNN first reported, investigators have not found evidence to support criminal charges against Clinton and none are expected, but no final determination will be made until that interview has taken place."

The leaks over the next few months will probably tell us what, if anything, the FBI has found so far. This interview should have happened months ago.

My guess is that the FBI will face restrictions in what it can ask HRC but I'm sure others have a better grasp on any limitations they face in their investigation.


Tsk! Tsk! Don't ask for the impossible.


IMO it's legitimate for State to have input into the decision, in that some of these attacks could be expected to have diplomatic consequences that they would be most qualified to assess.

Also, I don't think that the killings are extra-judicial when the targets are not US citizens. Possibly illegal, possibly war crimes, possibly horribly ill-advised - but not extra-judicial, in that both the Bush and the Obama Administrations have been very careful to create a framework of opinions supporting this program.


They are obvious extra-judicial. Maybe not American law but where they happen is not America so that is not important. Besides there can be a difference between a legal and a common definition. Under the common definition it is extra-judicial


In reply to Mac 12 June 2016 at 02:46 PM

Stop making excuses for them. Crazed, fanatical, vicious, barbaric, possibly psychotic, and determined to spread their death cult everywhere - yes.

Sick - no.

alba etie

Glad you have been released from the penalty box .


The largest part of Afghanistan was indeed part of Seldjuk empire. I honestly don't know whether this "Seldjuk thesis" has been investigated and elaborated on by any scholars. This forum was the first place that I heard of it.



Second generation American. Just like the men that set of bombs at the Boston marathon.


"Second generation American"(c)

This is precisely a moment at which downfall starts. What is "American"? How is Americanism (or being American) is defined? The guy who attends a militant Mosque and browses jihadi sites is not going to share fundamental American values (how they work is a separate issue), and those are fundamentally in dramatic contradiction with what Sunni Islam preaches. US and the world in general has an issue with Sunni Islam. Wahhabism is a curse and NO "American" can be born of it, second, fourth or tenth generation--doesn't matter. It all doesn't make US good or bad, albeit there is a legitimate case that US did indeed help jihadists, but it is beyond that.

Babak Makkinejad

Look at the lineage.


Occasionally, Babak, paying attention that is.

The less I am distracted by my own babbling the more maybe? Could be. Can you help me to elaborate this into the first LeaNder thesis?

If LeaNder does not babble, she is more likely to listen?

Besides, you may not not have noticed. At one point, considering dynamics I offered for debate (babbling, no doubt as always), confronted with something that felt like group-dynamics.

Why not simply recognize your theses for what they are, theses. But if one came to that point: Wouldn't some type of truce agreement be possible?

The rest is bantering, notice not silence.


Lewis Carroll updated: There's an app for that "Tap 'Yes' for off with their heads".

How can those communications conducted over an unsecured system not be criminal?

Babak Makkinejad

I am very supportive of truce.

JCPA was a truce agreement and not a peace agreement.

What we need is also a cease-fire in Eastern Europe between NATO and the Russian Federation and another cease-fire in Palestine.

The JCPA is a cease-fire agreement that will expire in 15 years.

The NATO-Russia truce could also be a timed agreement; expiring, say in 20 years, when most of the protagonists and antagonists of the current confrontation are either dead, enfeebled and in nursing homes, or are long forgotten in their retirement.

And, finally, the cease fire in Palestine could be set to expire after 99 years.

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