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25 April 2016


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Babak Makkinejad

"Caferi" means heretic.

Babak Makkinejad

There is a reason that the usage of "Caferi" - Heretic - has not been expunged from Turkish Lexicon to designate the Shia - about 3 million souls largely in Eastern Anatolia.

Because that is what the majority of Turkish speakers of Sunni persuasion believe the Shia to be; heretics.

No equivalent expression exists in Persian or Azeri Turkish - to my knowledge.

The point I was hoping to make was the existence of all these mutual antipathies and suggest the way forward is some sort of diplomatic accommodation.

I am sure that you are not harboring prejudice against other people or religions but I also do not believe that you are a typical Turk.

 Ishmael Zechariah

Caferi comes from the first name of Jaʿfar ibn Muḥammad al-Ṣādiq (جعفر بن محمد الصادق) which is read as "Cafer" in Turkish. The suffix "i" indicates "belonging" to the stem word. Thus "Caferi" means those who identify with, belonging to, or following Cafer. These folks call themselves "Caferi". Please look at the link I sent before. Why would they call themselves "heretics"? Mind you, if Islam is what you and/or tayyip defines as such, I am happy to be a heretic. A bit of reflection on your part before making all these statements would be wise.

Ishmael Zechariah


IZ et al

"Kaafer" is an Arabic word that means unbeliever. (plural "Kufaar"). The word exists in other languages as a loan word from Arabic, "the tongue of the angels." "liisan al-mala'ika" "Takfiri" which is what jihadis call Muslims who do not agree with them is from the same root. (masdar) pls

 Ishmael Zechariah

Different Clue,
Probably the same percentage who remained loyal to their ideals during the Great Wars in your country, or maybe slightly better. We are a stubborn bunch.
Ishmael Zechariah

 Ishmael Zechariah

Col. Lang,
Kaafer is "Kafir" in Turkish, the plural is "kuffar" (written with an umlaut on u). "Cafer" has a different root. It originally meant "water fount" in Arabic, but very few Turks, secular or otherwise, would know this. Perhaps the Caferis know.
Ishmael Zechariah



So why the discussion here about "caferi" having to do with Shia? pl

 Ishmael Zechariah

Colonel Lang,
Jaʿfar ibn Muḥammad al-Ṣādiq is the sixth imam of the Twelver Shia. His followers, calling themselves "Caferi" in Turkish are Twelvers. Babak, for whatever reason, thought it meant "heretic". I normally let these things pass, but figured some direct fire would cause him to take cover and think. Mistake on my part. Sorry.
Ishmael Zechariah

Babak Makkinejad

From Arabic:



Babak Makkinejad

Ah, t'is never too late to be corrected.

The "C" is not pronounced as "K" - such "Cry" but as in "J" - after Ja'afar -

I apologize for my misunderstanding - some of my opinions were evidently based on faulty knowledge of how to pronounce Turkish sound of the Turkish alphabet.



"kafara" would be the verb. I have no idea what other "measures" of the root (masdar) there are. pl


Couldn't speak for the Iraqi Kurds, but I guess they'll do pretty much what Mr Barzani tells them to.

Happy to be corrected, but as I recall, Raqqa is well south of Kurdish majority areas in Nth Syria. US support and cover is no doubt welcome for as long as it lasts, as long as it doesn't conflict with Kurdish core objectives. Turkey would probably be somewhat less accommodating towards the Syrian Kurds if the USA wasn't present.

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