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10 February 2016

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A. Pols

Hillary Clinton is a succubus. Yes, that's a bit hyperbolic, but I see her as a person
whose judgments about anything other than advancing her personal ambitions are universally faulty. Those who said Reagan was merely an actor had yet to meet this woman. As president she would be an appalling disaster whose will to power, once confronted by pushback on the international stage, could result in some bad mojo...

William R. Cumming

A brilliant and helpful post. IMO, HRC took the job as SoS to ticket punch for a Presidential run. Few aspects of her tenure have been closely examined so this post is helpful.

IMO the littoral of the Mediterranean Sea is about to become a Russian area of de facto dominance. The only question is will Russia get there first before US.

Putin effectively controls a number of seas and the Arctic Ocean. The Russian navy is not dead but different.

Dubhaltach

She did a bit more than just say: “We came; we saw; he died.” She said it and then laughed.

Linda Lau

I think perhaps the biggest problem is that so many Americans find this vision so appealing.

SmoothieX12

IMO the littoral of the Mediterranean Sea is about to become a Russian area of de facto dominance. The only question is will Russia get there first before US.

Putin effectively controls a number of seas and the Arctic Ocean. The Russian navy is not dead but different.
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To "control" Med, Russian Navy needs restoration of the full blown 5th Operational Squadron (5 OPESK) as it was in 1970s and 1980s. But, as you correctly noted, Russian Navy is "different" in sense that its predominantly Sea Denial force, unlike the US (and NATO) Navy, which is Sea Control and Power Projection force. Russia is yet to reach, let alone surpass, old Soviet 5th Op.Squad. (of course adjusted for time) capabilities but the movement started. But again, I simply do not see Russian Navy as Power Projection force as it is viewed in the US. Just to illustrate this--cancellation of the delivery of these French glorified Mistral "ferries", properly called in Russian Navy "Menstruals", was received across the board, yours truly included, with the sigh of relief.

John Minnerath

Excellent essay. I dread the idea of seeing HRC as POTUS more than just about anyone I can think of.
And to Linda Lau, I believe not as many as you think.

Bill Herschel

Erdogan is interested in American Politics.

http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_erdogan-meets-with-american-jewish-leaders-in-ankara_411939.html

Jackrabbit

There are major problems with this article.

1) Neocon ideology differs from the Providence of the Founding Fathers. Neocons strip individual liberty in favor of 'philosopher kings' that are encouraged to lie to the people - supposedly for the good of the people (though they actually put ruling-class interests first).

Conflating US Founders and US history with neocon ideology is actually a neocon device for convincing Americans to accept their program.

2) "In other words, like the Hebrews, Americans were a chosen race."

More conflating. "American" is not a race and I don't think many in US history thought that way. Yes, Americans had a different way of thinking ("ideology") than their European cousins - but that doesn't constitute a "race".

This statement, coming after the author's focus on the 'messianic school', makes 'exceptionalism!' seem as American as apple pie.

3) The article makes Hillary into some kind of evil mastermind. But she merely implementing 2006 neocon planning as describe by Sy Hersh in "The Redirection" ( http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection ).

ked

I think it is an error to describe the source motivation for "modern" leaders like Hillary being messianic. At best, that's an affectation that "works" in our present Western culture. Leaders like Hillary are more bought-into "might makes right" via our domination of technology (including applied behavioral sciences & information, beyond the usual material sciences & applied scineces) rather than old school appeal to God (even if they rationalize things with Him in tow). For them, realism is the recognition of power as central, & ideology (including theology) is a construct for explaining or justifying it.

People make a big deal about her Iraq War Vote - bigger than it was. As a Senator in the party out of power, and the WH being able to do just about any damn thing it wanted to, what was the (political) point of voting against the WH? Especially, with "we break it, we own it" calculus in the air (we being the GOP, from a Dem Senator's pov)? It was "patriotic" to support the GOP pres, & she couldn't be held responsible for whatever that gang wanted to do with its authority... that's the Executive's purview (not to mention, that Unitary Presidency shtick). Give 'em all the rope (authority & $$$) they want to hang themselves. {and they sure did, & us too, without apologies, thus begat Pres Obama.}

Gaddafi's Horrible Death. Nothing new about that kind of end for a brutal dictator... or even a sharp-dressed demagogue like Mussolini. War is Hell, & Civil War ain't too civil. Score against her for her personal reaction (maybe she's been hanging out to long in testosterone-rich enclaves?), but how & why connect her to the specifics of his capture & murder?

None the less, food for thought, thank you (as always) for essaying forth, Mr. Sale.

MRW

Maybe so, but the one thing you can about about Trump: he doesn't find this appealing.

I found it interesting that ex-DIA Director General Mike Flynn, as reported last week or the week before that in "The Hill," met with Trump to discuss Flynn's recent outspoken views on ISIS, and Obama's abysmal handling. Flynn said afterward that he was surprised by Trump's "incisive" questions, and his ability to grasp the significance of the detail Flynn was giving him. Flynn said he walked away with an entirely different (and favorable) view of Trump than he had before. Sorry that I don't have a link. I closed the tab without copying it then, and couldn't find it when I looked just now.

MRW

Helpful necessary review. Thank you.

Richard Sale

I didn't know that. Laughing makes it worse.

Richard

Richard Sale

We lack humility as a country. conceit breeds disaster.

Richard

Babak Makkinejad

We do know that war is Hell but Libya was a functioning country. Now it is no more.

Who is responsible?

LondonBob

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-31/the-trump-doctrine-revealed

Trump has been remarkably consistent in his traditional America First/Isolationist opinions, repeatedly refusing attempts to make him recant his views when interviewed. Of course he is savvy enough to dress these opinions in 'the most militaristic ever' garb, as a fan of Ron Paul he saw what little traction he got when he ran. He might be an imperfect vessel but he is all we have got.

Hood Canal Gardner

First: excellent read/thanks for your work. Help: which of the Founding Father's (hiding in the wings) does Schlesinger put in the "messianic school" of American excellence?

The Beaver

Mr Sale

Here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

Dubhaltach

In reply to Richard Sale 10 February 2016 at 03:24 PM

I agree with you it does make it worse. If you can swallow your disgust (and I would not blame you even a little bit if you choose not to watch) there's a YouTube video of her doing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

Croesus

The Mediterranean is going to get crowded

Will Israel's Natural Gas Fields Ever Get Developed?
http://www.hudson.org/research/12188-will-israel-s-natural-gas-fields-ever-get-developed

nb. Might be some poetic or editorial license in the title: at least some of the region in the Mediterranean that Israel claims actually belongs to Gaza.

Croesus

Madeleine Albright's comment, that "there's a special place in hell for women who do not support other women" might have been wistful thinking.

Any place in hell has to be an improvement over the spot where a woman belongs who says that killing half-a-million of other people's children is "worth the price."

rjj

wonder why she said it so loud and why her voice broke as it went up a couple of notes approaching shrill.

Anybody ever have that happen to them?

BabelFish

Richard, as always, thank you for the eloquence of your writing.

A theme that the MSM has dared to broach is one that I picked up in talking with my younger cousins, sons and step-children. And, that is that the younger generation or generations believe that HRC is a liar. They find her part of the problem, not part of the solution. The laughed when Madeline Albright condemned any woman who did not vote for Hiliary to 'a special place in hell'.

I found in this election cycle that Bernie's entry as a candidate was the spark that set off the display of these beliefs. It remains to be seen in the upcoming primaries but I believe that, when confronted with an opportunity to make a choice, many democrats finally give in to their disgust of Bill and Hilary. As they triangulate their little hearts out, their hubris seems to have kept them from realizing the truth of David Axelrod's recent statement on their puzzlement. The problem is them. And God bless the younger adults in this country for realizing the truth of that statement.

The ultimate issue, IMO, will continue to be the voting habits of the Democrats, in their various forms. Coming out for the beauty contest and staying on their living room furniture for the rest of the hard work that democracy truly is.

MRW

"And to Linda Lau, I believe not as many as you think."

I agree, John.

Byron York wrote in "The Washington Examiner" today, 2/10/16:

Quote
"What was extraordinary about the gathering was that I talked to a lot of people there, politically active Republicans, and most of them told me they personally didn't know anyone who supported Trump. Asked about the Trump lead, one very well-connected New Hampshire Republican told me, "I don't see it. I don't feel it. I don't hear it, and I spend part of every day with Republican voters.
[...]
"Now, with Trump's smashing victory in the New Hampshire primary, we know the answer. There really were a lot of Trump voters out there, and party officials could not, or did not want, to see them.”
EndQuote

I think the rise of Trump AND Sanders is a positive. You’ll notice that the regular neocon voices, right and left, are reaching for the Charmin while they are shitting through their teeth. The attacks on both is a wonder to behold.

MRW

Erdogan is interested in support. But it seems the American people are fed up with these Jewish anti-Americans using the reins of power to start more wars. They’re just not saying anything. They’re voting.

MRW

So does an insular education.

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