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03 February 2016

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Matthew

Fred: In Mexico, you never know if a businessman has "shadow" partners.

Will

Hmm. Sputnik-news leads with the story of imminent Turkish invasion of Syria. Says more details to follow. Mine clearing by the Turks is cited as evidence. Would the Russians bomb the Turk advance? Stratfor says Russia would stand down and deconfliction is already in place?

We live in interesting times.

LondonBob

But it hasn't gone to popular vote and all my Russian friends aren't happy to see their public funds siphoned off, nor do they appreciate having to live in constant fear that their business or livelihood could be taken just because some green eyed bureaucrat takes a liking to it and they don't have the right 'Krysha' to protect themselves. Good reason so many Russians own property in London. Lets see how the new anti corruption campaign goes anyway, I wish them every success.

Of course it takes two to tango and the Russians should be more careful not to respond to provocations. They shouldn't over react, as the author of the article says below, it does feed the spiral. If NATO positions forces forward, ignore it, it is just for show. It is the war party who are over extending and discrediting themselves, never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake. The Kremlin has shown a great deal of patience, they just need to continue doing so.

LeaNder

You should try to reflect if the real enemy did not come at an earlier time from the South.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wittelsbach#Palatinate_branch

Babak Makkinejad

Yes, it always puzzled me, this venom against Russia West of the Diocletian Line.

I mean, I could understand why people in Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Sweden and Poland could entertain a certain animus towards Russia due to historical reasons but not the Western people.

As you are aware, what is now called Azerbaijan Republic was lost to Russia during Perso-Russian Wars; yet the animus in Iran against Russia in not at the levels demonstrated by Westerners.

I wonder, is it a manifestation of Catholic vs. the Orthodox?

LondonBob

That is because only Russia provides a credible military threat, except for Germany. My mother was told to never trust the Russians when she was growing up, bit like the French and their perfidious Albion obsession. Anyway my Swedish relatives primary and overwhelming concern is the current immigration crisis, I don't think they give much thought to the 'Russian belligerence'. Of course the pro NATO party took a hammering in the last Finnish elections too, because they were pro NATO.

oofda

No, it was a Norwegian skarpskytter- he stuck his head over a parapet and got dinged. The Swedes just don't want to give the Norwegians credit- although a lot of his men would have liked to have killed him. He was 'war-mad'.

optimax

Fred

Here's Trump in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I

Valissa

Ironic indeed! But the military-industrial-thinktank complex has grown mightily since then. As has the business of public relations (aka propaganda). Follow the money!

Also Sweden could simply sign a peace treaty with Russia, as could any of the fearful eastern European countries. I'm sure Russia would be happy to be signing peace treaties. Of course that would displease NATO and Pax Americana.

And Russia has benefited from this perceived fear in some ways as well. After all they have their own military-industrial complex to consider.

Peace is boring and we can't have arms manufacturers go out of business... think of the cost to the economy (/snark).

LeaNder

that's what I found odd too, am.

On the other hand there is a rich historical lore with lots of twists and turns, plus the occasional encounter of the threatening "bear" and the "yellow threat" from the East, in history, not only as phantom. Not only in Western Europe, the threatening hordes from the East may well have left traces on the collective subconscious. ;)

I had long forgotten about the "yellow threat" of my childhood, when I encountered it in US conspiracy circles: The Chinese were down on the Mexican border, the story went. Interesting blend of old and new, I thought.

Castellio

Thanks for this Annamaria - to the point.

siljan

"There are no buildings along the southeast coast of Sweden that are older than 1721, when the Russians were stopped just outside Stockholm. In the prior 2 years, everything had been burned by them, except one major one, which was spared due to kinship."

Could you please provide any evidence for that statement? Links, books, verified history accounts?

The idea that Russia is a threat to Sweden is so far fetched,it's laughable.

Have there been some more Russian submarines spotted around Gotland perhaps...lol

Origin

As always, politics is always "local". Erdogan's local politics seems to be putting me at great risk. It seems crazy that the major NATO countries have put themselves into an obligation to defend peripheral countries like Turkey who have such diverse interests from US. Thus, the feature in the US strategy of making the whole world dependent may kill us all.

After watching Erdogan for the last few years, a Turkish invasion of Syria under the guise of creating a "Safe Zone" is well within the realm of probability, while a sharp defense of Syrian sovereignty by Russia would also be probable. If the invasion starts, my guess is that the US will be surprised by the crumbling of its assumption Russia will blink first.

It is as if the neocons think this is just a video game you can reset after you die.

burton50

I have to agree here, especially with the last three paragraphs. I have been struck by the rapidly increasing degree to which falsehoods, half-truths and glaring omissions have completely taken over all communications directed by representatives of the American government toward its own citizens, not only in the field of foreign policy, but with respect to the U.S. economy, unemployment, national medical insurance, immigration, climate change, income inequality, etc. This is what is called "strategic communication", or, as PL correctly noted not long ago, a sort of incessant "information operation" directed at the U.S. public. All the screaming and shouting about "Russian aggression" is of a piece with the rest of the IO. It's just that its more immediately dangerous.

Matthew

Will: For the Russians to stand down, doesn't that imply that the Turks are preparing for an influx of their proxies, not an invasion?

If Putin "stands down" to a Turkish invasion, he would look like the world's biggest coward.

Valissa

"losing contact with their Inner Viking"... ROTFL... I had the same thought recently. I think it's time for the Swedish government to mandate attendance at Norse Shamanism workshops for all citizens of military age in order to reconnect with the power of their Viking ancestry.

What wusses the Scandinavians have become ;)
{I cry for my people's lost virility... /snark}

Fred

Babak,

In less than two generations Sweden has transformed itself from almost 100% Catholic to a high percentage purely secular and about 1/3 Muslim. That is probably influencing the projection of their own civil strife onto the old external threat rather than dealing with internal matters that are being exacerbated by the refugee policies of the left.

cynic

Come back Odin and Thor! All is forgiven.

Cortes

In a system dependent on the rule of law evidence is required to convict. Evidence gas been adduced about Hellary's unorthodox approach to the safeguarding of sensitive material. Just what evidence do you rely on, real evidence, not bald assertion, that President Putin is "likely the richest man in Russia ".
Respect for the rule of law means respect for the requirements of law. The rest is propaganda.

Fred

Matthew,

Like the President of the Republic.

Fred

cynic,

Have you forgotten the Polish uprising against Russia that threaten to bring about war with Britain and France at the time?

LeaNder

"academic performance is measured in terms of how well students can provide textbook answers ..."

kao, the second advice I gave my niece, concerning her studies beyond mathematics was: in every other field stay only within the limits of the reading list. Don't get too interested in a topic. ... some profs don't like extra work.

You may be interested in the passages concerning Harold D. Lasswell in Meyer's biographical reminiscences.

Concerning my own reading list, his suggestion fits well.

cynic

Try the You Know Whos. Whose bankers prevented Russia raising loans to fight Japan in 1905? Whose bankers financed the Bolsheviks? Whose friends of the oligarchs whose wings were clipped by Putin create so much hysteria against Russia? Who are the in the background of the Litvenenko matter? Who are also in the background of the Neo-cons and zio-cons who exert so much influence and who program the mind of the Borg?
Otherwise there's been no particular animus against Russia in Western Europe. Allies in 2 world wars.Part of the normal jostlings of the international system. Catholic vs. Orthodox seems relevant only in Eastern Europe and in inter-church relations.

kao_hsien_chih

Ha, that would explain why my students absolutely hated me. I almost always went out of way to do that extra work, to see if the students are thinking beyond the formulas, doing thinking outside the predefined box, etc. This stems from my own education: my profs, when I was a student, had habit of assigning unsolved problems of mathematics as take home tests to see how the students approached them and dealt with them, not with expectation that they would be solved (although I am told that some of them were in fact solved!).

:P

kao_hsien_chih

You mean Lutheran, right? That is itself a reminder of a previous transformation: during the Reformation, many European countries did transform from 100% Catholic to mostly Protestant overnight, with the few dissenters being variously punished or expelled. This was largely due to the "civic duty" side of religiosity, though: most people in countries with established religions belonged to a church because that was what was expected of good "citizens" as matter of course, not necessarily because they subscribed to the religious doctrine or of deep religious conviction. Even when an established church was lacking, there were codes of behavior that "respectable" people were expected to abide by and going to the "proper" church weekly was one of them.

In this sense, I don't think Sweden was ever really 100% Catholic or 100% Lutheran, but simply full of people among whom religious observance was considered "proper," and somehow, this went out of fashion in the last couple of generations. This does beg the question: what makes for a good Swede if not Lutheranism? Russophobia? Fear of Muslims?

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