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11 January 2016

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different clue

I left a comment on this subject over at Professor Cole's blogpost on this subject
to see if my comment with links to this post and thread will pass moderation and be posted over there. Here is the link to it in case anyone wants to check in a day or two whether it appears. (A previous comment of mine taking the starvation for granted but blaming the rebels for it did get posted).

Here is the link. http://www.juancole.com/2016/01/syrian-army-lets-food-aid-into-besieged-madaya.html

pj

The audio report from an ICRC representative in Madaya does not give statistics, but he sure seems to describe suffering and hunger.

https://www.icrc.org/en/document/syria-madaya-foua-kefraya-besieged-areas

turcopolier

pj

Don't post comments twice. I would prefer an official statement form the ICRC rather than this fellow's impressions. pl

different clue

Babak Makkinejad,

If indeed they themselves triggered the collapse in the price of oil by flooding the market to keep it flooded until all the "unconventional oil" producers are long-term bankrupted and shut down; then they are counting on their own ability to restore prices by reducing their own production once they feel they have "beheaded" enough competitors to avoid those competitors coming back.

If that is so, then the only thing that could go wrong with their plan is if the oil price stays collapsed even after their rival producers have been disposed of. The Saudi-invested governments ( US/UK/others) would like to prevent that from happening if they can. So what can millions of ordinary citizens do in their buying and non-buying behavior to create a diffuse world-wide pressure keeping oil prices down in the teeth of US/UK/KSA efforts to get the prices back up when they feel the time has come to do so?

Barish

Keep this, picked up by various outlets, in mind as well as regards the situation in and around Madaya:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/aid-trucks-make-way-into-starvation-hit-syria-towns/

"Hezbollah’s Al-Manar TV channel showed a group of people, including women and children, waiting for the convoys at Madaya’s main entrance. In interviews, they accused rebel fighters inside of hoarding humanitarian assistance that entered the town in October and selling the supplies to residents at exorbitant prices.

Ghosn, who spoke to journalists accompanied by government officials, also blamed rebels in Madaya, saying: “Their depots are full while we go hungry. We have to humiliate ourselves to go to them and beg for food.”

Government forces have been able to airdrop some supplies into Fuaa and Kafraya, which are home to around 20,000 people, but rebel forces are not able to do the same for Madaya."

If that last point is the case, as Times of Israel notes, then why didn't the "rebel forces" concede that the situation there is hopeless and negotiate for their relocation to their brothers-in-arms, leaving the people at peace? Then, given above unflattering testimony about the militants present in Madaya, one shouldn't be surprised that they do not particularly mind keeping up their last stand, at the population's expense.

I am particularly disgusted that certain media outlets still talk all about "Madaya" but then refer to "the two towns" up north, Kafriya and Al-Fu'ah. As per the UN-brokered agreement, these three places are linked, like it or not.

pj

Apologies for the duplicate!

Well, the ICRC did choose to post his impressions on their website. In the main post by Moon above it is stated that the ICRC didn't report any famine in their visit 10 days ago. Well, I wish I knew what they exactly said, because MSM and the recent ICRC audio are saying something different.

robt willmann

Speaking of watching out for trickery, but off topic, there will be an important vote in the U.S. Senate tomorrow afternoon, 12 January. It looks like a vote for "cloture", which would be to stop any filibuster, and not on passage of the bill itself--

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2015/12/18/senate-section/article/S8875-1

The proposed law is to authorize an audit of the Not-Federal Reserve Bank, a bastion of financial trickery, to say it diplomatically. As a real surprise, Time magazine published an article about it--

http://time.com/4170969/sen-rand-paul-audit-the-fed/

After a long struggle, some information came out after an open records request and a limited, watered-down bill to do an audit at the Fed, and it was revealed that between 2007 and 2009, the Not-Federal Reserve bank made over $13 trillion in secret loans of "money" to domestic and foreign banks (I think some were also to companies that were not banks or financial firms); and often the interest rate was less than 1 percent--

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2015/04/why-americans-dont-trust-the-fed-its-too-damn-secretive/

An average teenager would wonder where the Fed got the $13 trillion "dollars" to "loan out", but apparently the "financial press" cannot think of the question.

The audit the Fed bill is just 4 pages--

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/264/text?format=txt

https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/s264/BILLS-114s264is.pdf

One of the listed powers given to Congress is to coin money and set the value thereof, but it gave the power to the Not-Federal Reserve Bank upon its creation in 1913. So far, Congress has not been bamboozled into giving its powers to tax, declare war, regulate interstate commerce, etc. to a private company as well. At least, not yet.

gemini33

The photos and videos that were used in the Madaya media blitz are definitely being used fraudulently. I've seen people on Twitter notify the news organizations directly, showing them that their pics/vids are from another place at another time in the past. The news orgs did not make corrections, last I checked (this morning).

However, I don't think we can say that nobody is starving in these towns. The *reason* they are starving is not because no aid was delivered though. It's because Nusra is using the food to get money and obviously not everybody can afford the ridiculous black market prices. I've seen video interviews of people who said they were from Madaya. I don't think they proved what date they were being interviewed but they are wearing long-sleeved clothing on a sunny day. Here is one video with interviews translated by Partisangirl (aka Syrian girl, tho I believe she lives outside of Syria right now).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnsR3uXnqUU

If there are no starving people in Madaya, then MSF/Doctors without Borders is reporting falsely, based on their sources in Madaya who they refer to as MSF-supported medics.

I thought MSF was still a credible organization. If they are reporting false info, I'd like to think it's because they are being fed misinformation in a sophisticated way. I really hope they're not a bunch of frauds now too. Seems there are so many fake humanitarian frauds now, especially related to this horrific war in Syria. I think I recall MSF got punked in Ghouta too though, passed on info from other doctors not their own people, but I thought they revised their report later. If they don't have actual MSF on the ground and are relying on their partners on the ground, I guess they can fake info. But they are reporting starvation deaths, as recent as Sunday.

"8 January 2016 Update: The MSF-supported medics in Madaya have identified 250 people with severe acute malnutrition, including 10 patients who are in immediate need of life-saving hospitalisation care. The number of people in need of medical care is growing. If a safe medical evacuation procedure can be agreed, MSF is prepared to facilitate the identification of patients in need of evacuation at that time."
http://www.msf.org/article/syria-siege-and-starvation-madaya-immediate-medical-evacuations-and-medical-resupply

gemini33

Correction to my previous comment.

At least one person in the interviews says she is in Madaya and the date is 1/10/2016 which is Jan. 10.

You can see this at 2:10 in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnsR3uXnqUU

Amir

Would you agree that the DAESH just is superior in PR terms, thanks to the best Saudi money can buy from PR firms all over?

Amir

Heed the advice of the Pope and I am not being derisive here... you vote Jill Stein en go for her program.

Rod

I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.

Sherman

Abu Sinan

I like the name you are using, "Dubhaltach", but then I am big on Irish history. I have lived in Ireland and spent a lot of time there.

As for Assad and the Alawi, It is only recently that some people, mainly 12er Shi'a, view them as Muslim. There has also been a move to slowly move their religious views into more mainstream Islamic thought. Many Muslims today still think Alawi as not Muslim. To be sure, their traditional beliefs are very much at odds with either Shi'a or Sunni thought, but I am not a takfiri, so it isnt for me to pronounce the issue one way or the other.

My wife is Yemen, father Sunni, mother Zaidi. Growing up in Sanaa she was not aware that there was such a thing as Sunni or Shi'a or that people were split by sect. Traditionally Yemen was not split by sect like this. Mosques, even today, were not usually divided by sect.

This has started to change in the last few decades with KSA making a deliberate attempt to change the religious views and culture in Yemen. They have funded extremist scholars who have worked in Yemen, set up religious schools in the middle of the Zaidi heartland, help set up and fund Islamist political parties. Even living and working in KSA and other GCC countries caused many Yemenis, Zaidi and Sunni alike, coming back to Yemen with a more extremist bent on religion, helping to change the Yemen culture and society. These actions by KSA set up the stage for the Zaidi revivalist movement and the Houthis themselves.

I agree with you, it isnt going to end well. The ultra-Salafiyah have already split the region open and I dont see how it can be repaired.

Abu Sinan

You comment would lead me to believe that you mistakenly believe that the situation in Syria is nothing more than a sectarian war. The fact of the matter is, a large chunk of the fighters for Assad are Sunni. Considering what a small minority the Alawi and Christians are in Syria, the only possible way that Assad has hung on as long as he has is because of the Sunnis that support him.

In the situation in question the town in Sunni and his head by a coalition of rebel groups, the largest of which are religious extremists. The town itself is actually made up of mostly Assad supporting Sunnis. There is food in the town, the UN itself has resupplied it in the last few months. The food, however, is held by the religious extremists who sell it dearly, or hand it out as blackmail. They are allowing the people to starve because they support Assad, aside from the fact that most of the media we have seen in the West are outright lies or distortion of the truth.

turcopolier

gemini33

After considering the difference apparent in the actual situation in Madaya and the statements made by various people in MSF, ICRC and other NGOs I have to ask if these group have been penetrated by agents of influence of the Borgist countries. pl

William R. Cumming

IMO the FED does not understand energy sector or the housing sector but it does understand the needs of its owners--the Central banks and it domestic banks!

Thanks again for your many useful analysis and other comments.

William R. Cumming

How much of the MSM in US and UK under KSA influence or ownership?

pj

This post was based on the view that there was no serious hunger in Madaya and a core support for that was the statement - "That last ICRG visit to Madaya was some 10 days ago when some wounded were eveacuated. No famine was reported by the ICRG." - included in the pieced by Moon of Alabama above. I have searched the ICRC site and can find no such report. In fact, everything I see at the site underlines the seriousness of the hunger situation.

Without commenting on who is responsible for the situation, is it not possible that the 'actual situation' prior to yesterday's convoy was a serious shortage of food and widespread hunger in many cases leading to serious illness.

turcopolier

pj

Hunger and starvation unto death are two very different things, but I leave it to "b" to answer that since I was quoting him. pl

paulj

"An average teenager would wonder where the Fed got the $13 trillion "dollars" to "loan out".

From nothing, the source of every modern currency.

If the Fed 'loans' the dollars to us why does it not collect the interest? Every penny the Fed 'earns' is turned over to Treasury less operating expenses. The interest is paid to US citizens, holders of Treasuries, not the Fed… income to the non-government. The transaction doesn't behave at all like a 'loan'.

If this is a loan it's a consequence of double-entry accounting and nothing else as there is no obligation to repay and the Fed does not have the power to say no when Congress spends.

"it gave the power to the Not-Federal Reserve Bank upon its creation in 1913"

Money doesn't get created unless Congress spends or borrowers take out loans. The Fed can't drop $ into the economy, it does the accounting, after-the-fact, when banks issue the loans by creating reserves (liquidity).

Holding worthless securities off insolvent banks balance sheets is the Fed's worst offense, but eventually these worthless securities will have to be redeemed by the issuer.

Barish

I believe what Moon-blog was referring to was the escort of people out of the four areas which part of the ceasefire- and humanitarian aid-agreement passed for Zabadani-Madaya and Al-Fu'ah-Kafriya in December. You got a piece reporting on that released on this here site:

http://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/united-nations-syria-syrian-arab-red-crescent-and-international

No mention of starvation made there. Rather, the precarious supply situation in various areas is rightly, and objectively outlined.

b

Someone below doubted my ICRG assertions.

Their official wording is something like
"Can't confirm the assertions of famine but also can not exclude any information that is relayed. We need access"

Here is their official statement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PQmBxx-7rY

Abu Sinan

Reports are that most of the food trucked in by the UN has already been seized by the "moderate" rebels.

VietnamVet

Thanks for the information. Yes, I have never been to the Middle East. This is why I read the posts here every day. Half a century ago in S.E. Asia the rural Vietnamese, Khmer, Malay, Thai, and Hmong did not intermingle but lived apart with the old colonial borders fairly close to the ethnic boundaries except for the mountain tribes and North and South Vietnam. Also, Iraq splintered along ethnic lines thanks to the 2003 American invasion overthrowing the Sunni minority. I expect that the Al Qaeda affiliates and the Islamic State are exploiting sectarian divisions to the best of their ability since this is the only way they will survive. Thus, I envision that the Syrian Arab Army with the Russian intervention is moving out of the Shiite and Alawite areas into Sunni territory. In the cities there would have been sectarian mixing but by now it has been divided into government and rebel controlled areas. The Sunni villages and towns if defended would be natural defensive fortresses for the true believers. On the other hand, for the Syrian Arab Republic to continue to exist, it has to reach an agreement with the Kurds and Sunnis to stand down and come into some sort of federation. The next months will tell. But, elements in the western hierarchy want more war and Russia prostrate. They are aiding the Syrian rebels. The good news today is that Bernie Sanders jumped ahead of Hillary Clinton in the Iowa polls.

Cee

All,

Happy New Year and amen to truth. I also read Global Research because of what passes for US news.

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