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03 January 2016

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Patrick Bahzad

main difference, for this theatre of operation, is active anti-ATGM electronics, as you mentioned.

Patrick Bahzad

Nothing new under the sun ... if you see it coming, you got 2-3 secs to take cover. if you don't see it, or have no cover to hide behind, you better cling onto that steering wheel. If you're lucky, you wont feel a thing !

Patrick Bahzad

terrain, tank- and ATGM-crew training, speed of reaction. It's a newer version of a very old dichotomy: bullet vs armour

Patrick Bahzad

more like German copycat cheese-name for camembert (no offence chantose, but nothing particularly French to that name, IMO)

Patrick Bahzad

NO, ISIS' centre of gravity is the ME, in particular Iraq, not so much Syria, despite this being hyped up to fit the narrative of "Assad has to go so we can focus on ISIS afterwards" (which defies any sense of logic).

Despite the Muslim "Foreign Legion" fighting for the "Caliph" this is an organisation that is aiming for Statehood. they need a territorial base for that, and although they're flexible on the fringes, losing the core of their land (Anbar and parts of Niniveh and Diyala) would be a severe blow to them.

Now of course, if that happened, some of the survivors would surely try to set up shop in some of the areas you mentioned. Others would just do as they did post-surge, wait for their day to come (again)

Charles Michael

Thanks for your reply.
no, no, no, I am certainly not dismissing mankind’s need for glory and a cause greater themselves. As a matter of fact from my family origin, history and cultures this need and search is part of me and my life, what I have build and/or demolished.

As a matter of fact I have no difficulties in "understanding" those from Europe or MENA, and further, djihadists gathering to Syria. And yes there is an appeal for supreme sacrifice among the young bucks, even enthusiasm and specially inside a group.

Still, IMO they are manipulated (mercenaries excepted), as were the Red Brigades, the Baader Meinhoff group and the lost soldiers of the OAS.

What I did dismiss is not so much the romantization that the typically french academic developments (I am French)and the convocation of past great thinkers; and that for the purpose of supporting this claim of Greatest Revolutionnary New Doctrine.
My central objection is there, because their proponents are closer to cynical manipulators and con-men than any Prophet contrary to Bin Laden, whose project was also the caliphate.

But if I wanted to offer a sociological approach to this phenomenon I would more refer to the concept of Anomy as expressed by Durkheim. The source of this flow of volunteers for a bad cause, using bad means, moved by narcissic unsatisfaction and frustrations, is perfectly synchron, IMO, with the epoch we leave in: La Société du Spectacle and consumation, where the access to Toyota, Black Stylish dress, prohibited toys,access to easy sex, overules all laws, all humanity.

Yes Colonel Lang is consistenly correct (almost, not on Oil) as world apart we might seem to be, after many of his reactions I had simply nothing to add.

These is frustrating (Lol).

kao_hsien_chih

Within Syria itself, I've been told of similar things about Hama, in 1980s. (Obviously, I lack firsthand knowledge).

kao_hsien_chih

In a way, the transnational/multiculturalism operates by breaking down communities. Bill Clinton is not a Bubba, nor is Obama a black man, or GW Bush an evangelical Texan. They are all part of the same transnational elite, even if of different tribes. Their protestations of tribal affiliations are, in the end, superficial affectations.

What is more is that tribal loyalties are actively discouraged, again, in the name of transnational cosmopolitanism, multiculturalism, whatever. The linkage to the English Civil War era cavalierism (and its American Civil War descendants) seems apt: these folks were, in the end, "tribals." "Moderns" err because they are evaluated by the logic of the cosmopolitans: they are "wrong" because they believed in X and didn't believe in Y...but what kept them together as meaningful entities was their tribal loyalties, much more than any particular globalist ideology...of which they weren't really part of anyways.

But is the analogy apt vis-a-vis the modern Middle East? IS is itself built around a globalist, cosmopolitan ideology, even if its tenets are completely contrary to the Western ones. The only "tribals" left in the region are some Kurdish and Arab Sunni tribals, plus other insular minority groups, literally, whose lives and tribal connections are about to be swallowed up by globalist hegemonies. We (the West) might be eager to use them and toss them, but we don't understand them well (beyond a few knowledgeable and Romanticist individuals) and quite frankly, our leaders don't care to.

chantose

Patrick
Interesting surmise. The "Chant" part is English, but as a kid for some reason my German-extracted Mom would call me down to breakfast thusly: "Chantose! Eggen!" English/French/German/Norsk maybe?

Tyler

Babak,

That a rootless cosmopolitan court eunuch can find so much success is the problem with the USA nowadays.

Tyler

Lisa,

The Israelis have again made their own enemy. As iron sharpens iron, man sharpens man. The SAA is leaps beyond where it was before all this. I doubt these 'lessons learned in blood' will be forgotten anytime soon.

LeaNder

Kao, since you refer to it, I have no doubt you also know how authorities responded to truce. Or don't you?

LeaNder

thanks, I didn't know she was drummed out of academia.

Half-serious, I got that.

Concerning your take of NATO leaders, definitively what I head of the respective spokesmen, or representatives, didn't sound reassuring.

kao_hsien_chih

Sure. Their leaders did everything to squelch it, but that they had to take extraordinary steps against them is exactly the point. When the people occupying the trenches "obviously" belong to different tribes, you don't need the authorities to step in to keep them from fraternizing: their songs are obviously different, so they will fight as befitting different tribes. Most conflicts are waged by people with different songs and dance. The West, with its shared transnational heritage, is a bit different. But I think what happens naturally in the West is not something that can be expected normally elsewhere.

YT

A.P.J. Abdul Kalam?

Misanthrope

I can think of a better one. She could take a long walk off a short pier. Preferably wearing concrete shoes. And a lead overcoat.

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