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09 December 2015

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Aka

Abu Sinan,

And then there is that Marquez "claiming" that they were hoping to go on shooting spree in 2012. That was well before Malik.


If there are that many young western muslim men looking for wives online, I wonder how did they (or she) found him. I mean if she found the wrong guy, her plans would have gone awry.

And why did he choose her? She is not pretty. Only matching quality (with his dating bio) was the religious part and the hijab part.

Babak Makkinejad

"She is not pretty"...

Well he was no Cary Grant himself - like he had girls following him...

Abu Sinan

"She is not pretty". That is subject. You dont find her attractive, it doesnt mean her husband does not. As there is talk that the husband had talked about attacks back in 2012, he might have radicalized her, or they just found people that complimented each other.

With these websites it is common to talk to the person you are considering, via e-mail, text, phone, Skype, you name it. If he held extremist views it wouldnt be too hard for him to find someone else who did as well.

Your assumption here is that it was her plans, maybe they were his?

Abu Sinan

I agree. Because of this practice I usually withhold my hand until the female offers it. I have, however, stuck my hand out out of habit, to ladies who then turned it down. Awkward.

There is such pressure in many Muslim societies to confirm, you'll find people doing these things who are not religious at all. Keeping up appearances.

Tyler

Abu,

Yeah the billionaire leading the pack since the summer and polling better than the rest combined is an idiot based off of the opinion of a man always wrong around here.

Oh my sides are aching.

Babak Makkinejad

"Keeping up appearances."

Yes, living a lie to uphold some sort of public appearance of righteousness.

Babak Makkinejad

You are right of course. As is said in Persian: "It is the goat who should like his grass and none other."

Swami

Define 'suspicious'.

An apparently muslim woman at a gun range?

How about a man wearing a "right to life" t-shirt at a gun range? Would you call that in?

Now, the person you narc on may not be locked up, but will likely be questioned and detained for several hours. And treated with even more suspicion if he/she asserts constitutional rights. This may feel to you like a small price to pay, until you're the one being questioned on the say-so of some 'concerned citizen'.

Jack

Tyler

Have you noticed that while the establishment media and politicians are screaming at Trump for his proposal, none are offering an alternate plan to a) prevent infiltration of jihadists b) identify jihadists already here ?

Fred

Tyler,

He's just using the example of the American Muslim sports hero Obama was referring too: Mohammad Ali. His political opponents and the press are wearing themselves out over every remark; flippant, intentional, or thoughtful. I believe Ali called that The "Rope a Dope" strategy.

Amir

The problem with this scapegoating will be that there is a guaranty that there will be a next time as usual, the true culprit has not only not been pursued but hidden in plain sight:

The passage by the United States House of Representatives of the Visa Waiver Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act, or HR 158, brings to mind a Persian story about a ruler who heard a blacksmith had committed a crime in the city of Balkh, now in northern Afghanistan. In his desire to appear swift in meting out justice he ordered the arrest and beheading of the culprit. But, as Balkh was too far away, the ruler decreed that beheading any blacksmith would do. And yet his henchmen were unable to find such an artisan in nearby towns. All they found was a coppersmith in the city of Shushtar in western Iran. So, our zealous ruler called for the execution of the poor coppersmith of Shushtar lest the crime of the blacksmith of Balkh went unpunished. http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2015/dec/10/iranian-americans-scapegoats-for-terrorist-acts-by-us-congress-hr158

Fred

It looks like the people of Connecticut are going to be even safer now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/nyregion/connecticut-to-ban-gun-sales-to-those-on-federal-terrorism-lists.html

I wonder when they will ban internet access to those on the "federal terrorism lists"; ISIS is recruiting on-line aren't they?

turcopolier

Amir "the true culprit?" What's your theory? The CIA, Bigfoot, The US Chamber of Commerce?" pl

Babak Makkinejad

You omitted the "Tri-Lateral Commission" as well as FEMA.

steveg

Babak
Take the inner city buses in Mpls
quite frequently. On a near capacity
ride a young Somali women had no
choice but to sit next to me on the
aisle seat. She sat facing the aisle
with her back to me with both feet
in the aisle. As there were Somali
males nearby I assumed this would
preempt their concerns. Was I
correct? As always I try to be the
polite infidel unless overtly provoked.

jerseycityjoan

You are asking reasonable questions here.

I certainly cannot provide you with a detailed answer but here's something that I quoted from here last month about refugee processing in Germany. I would not be surprised if other European countries receiving migrants and refugees are using outside contractors too. I believe Germany's also admitting Afghans as refugees (not just Iraqis and Syrians) so I wonder if the Pakistanis going there say they came from Afghanistan?

"While ministers argue, civil servants at the federal office for migration and refugees have published an open letter warning of serious flaws in procedures.

Asylum-seekers are being accepted as Syrians without being asked for any proof of their nationality, they warned.

Those claiming to be Syrian do not need to show passports, according to the letter. The only checking of their identity is carried out by freelance translators who often have little or no experience of Syrian dialects or accents, and are not accountable for any mistakes.

A “large proportion” of asylum-seekers were giving false identities in order to stay in Germany, the letter warned.

“The discontinuation of identity checks has also facilitated infiltration by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant terrorists into Europe,” it claimed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/angela-merkel/11994337/Angela-Merkels-future-under-scrutiny-for-the-first-time-as-German-asylum-process-criticised.html

jerseycityjoan

"Almost no public examination of dual-citizenship issues or numbers"

This had better start to change soon. We have so many people with dual citizenships and some of them are having kids with other people with dual citizenships.

We have our own people going abroad and seeking out citizenship too so they can bail out on America and American taxes at will.

Allowing ourselves to become a country with so many people here as a matter of convenience is crazy on our part. Doing so without recognizing or dealing with the consequences of all these multiple identifications and loyalties is stupid too.

Cee

Col. Lang,

We may never know.

Check out what Donald said

Speaking to Joe Scarborough on the topic of ISIS, Donald Trump made an admission that many will consider startling -- not because he said something wrongheaded, but because he dared to mention the unmentionable. I thank this writer for the transcript.

Donald Trump

Right now things are going on right now that you don’t know about, that I don’t know about, that nobody . . . right now, there are things going on . . . that you have so-called people that you think are on our side and they’re not reporting it, they’re not talking about it, and, in some cases, they’re involved with it.

Look, I’ll give you an example. Some of our so-called “allies,” that we work with and we protect and we protect them militarily, they’re sending massive amounts of money to ISIS and al-Qaeda and to others.

Joe Scarborough
So who are we talking about there?

Donald Trump
You know who it is. What do I have to bring it up for? You know who it is.

Joe Scarborough
Because you’re running for president. Who? The Saudis?

Donald Trump
Joe, other countries are giving massive amounts of money. People from other countries are giving massive amounts of money . . .

Joe Scarborough
Are you saying the Saudis are doing this?

Donald Trump
Of course, they’re doing it. Everyone knows that.

Joe Scarborough
Ok. Any other countries?

Donald Trump
There are, but I’m not going to say it, because I have a lot of relationships with people. But there are. And you know that and everybody knows that, and nobody says it. Nobody talks about it.

Joe Scarborough
But you’re not even saying the countries that are doing it right now. Why aren’t you willing to name those . . . you say you have a lot of relationships there.

Donald Trump
Hey, Joe. All you have to do is check your records. Our government knows the countries, and one of them happens to be Saudi Arabia. And our government knows that.

And why aren’t we doing anything about that? Why aren’t we being firm as to why are we allowing that to happen.

Some believe that when Trump's remark about "other countries" is code for Israel. Perhaps -- but I think that the reference here goes to Qatar (frequently cited as a source of jihadist funding: See here, for example) and Turkey.

Since the Erdogan family now derives massive profits from ISIS oil, the investment appears to have been quite lucrative. Dig it: The funds that went to ISIS no doubt came from secret government sources, while the oil money goes into Erdogan's pockets directly. Nice scheme, huh?

turcopolier

Cee

Yes. I watched the interview. pl

Babak Makkinejad

Trump has not gone far enough.

We have the mostly young Sunni Muslim men (<30, let us say) who are being actively recruited for suicide missions against Muslims and non-Muslims alike across multiple countries; all in the name of Islam or defense of Islam.

We have largely Sunni refugee Muslims flowing into Christian West (West of the Diocletian Line) while not a single Muslim state is doing anything credible to ameliorate the refugees. Even the Hejab Crowd finds nothing odd in running to Kuffar for aid and succor.

Lastly, we have young Muslim women (14-24) refugees in Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt that are being sold into sham marriages to Muslim men in their 50s who pay their families some money for food etc., have their way with them, and then discard them.

Young men are doing the dying, young women are doing the whoring, and old men are having a dandy time.

Babak Makkinejad

While I am touched by your decency and courtesy, I would like to share with you what is often said in Persian in such situations:

"Show the Dead too much respect and they will shit in their shrouds."

Valissa

Thanks Cee! But your links are missing and I would like them for my archive.

optimax

It's odd that CNN reported that ISIS captured an official Syrian passport printing press along with numerous blank passports, which they think at least one of the Paris shooters used to enter Greece, and yet the story doesn't show up on google.

The US is going over their records of the Syrians who have entered the US from the ISIS controlled areas the passports originated from. The gomint and msm don't see the irony of their denouncing Donald for his call to temporarily halt Muslim immigration until we get our sh!t together. The terrorists depend on the American people's naivety--which the Borg feeds.

Aka

Abu Sinan,
may be they were matching from the beginning. Neither of them wanted any radicalization from each other. May be he needed some encouragement to pursue his life's "goals".

optimax

It was ABC not CNN--

http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-intel-isis-passport-printing-machine-blank-passports/story?id=35700681

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