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14 November 2015

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Kunuri

Yes, Erdogan, not Turkey in general, but he has the state, lock, stock and barrel. Rest of the world seems to think he is the supreme leader of Turkey too, what a shame. They all show up for his coronation in G20 summit in Antalya, real politik? I have laughing fits when they all talk about common values and democracy and human rights there, 7/24 on Turkish MSM. Just for one example, as much as Tayyiban has a steel grip on Turkey, not one soul would be allowed to leave shores of Turkey for a better life in Europe. Its a multi billion dollar scam, a tool of leverage to make EU to bow to Turkish demands and get some cash to prevent something they could do easily anyway, but only to distributed to their cronies.

No Aegean coyote can operate on those shores without some king of protection, and have to pay half of 2000 Euros per person to the minister and up. Please, I lived for two years right across Lesbos on the Turkish side, you cant even go fishing on the shore at night without Gendarme coming around in 10 minutes, no matter how remote you are. When will the world wake up to this grandiose scammer, and how many times he screwed them out of agreements? Russians are on to him, being no sense operators that they are, but you gotta wonder who is also in the game. Is someone benefiting from the onrush of the refugees into EU, which is not prepared financially, culturally and historically?

Imagine

@Col. Lang, re strategy: I humbly suggest:
1) Stand down in Syria; declare a 1-year pause to hostilities while people face a common enemy; and let Russia, Iran, and Syria take care of ISIS. They seem much more serious about it, having apparently accomplished more in 3 weeks than America has accomplished against ISIS in 3 years;
2) Stop cutting off our nose to spite our face, and share placement info with Russia. For God's sake, we even helped Saddam with support info back in the day, against Iran.
Cooperation, on the things that we both care about, beats competition any day. America needs to re-learn to act from interests, and not from Manichean positions. Cooperating with Russia and Iran will have substantial long-term benefits.

We don't have to solve the world's problems. We just have to get in place the right people who can (perhaps they're there already?), then step back and let it happen. America needs to get out of the habit of thinking we are Batman.

How will Russia/Iran/Syria take down ISIS? Dunno, but I bet it involves drones...

turcopolier

imagine

IMO if you have a cease fire in Syria before all the jihadis are destroyed you will lose everything. pl

Medicine Man

Calling it a War is useful if it engenders an actual call to arms, less so if it is merely a rhetorical flourish.

Patrick Bahzad

You're absoluely right about the equation we need to solve.

And that is what I said, among other things, in the piece I mentioned in this post.

Medicine Man

A few questions for you CP:

Why is it so hard to remove a visitor with a passport if that person is not a citizen? Moreover, how can a non-citizen get a German passport in the first place? Is this all EU shenanigans?

I'm genuinely curious.

FB Ali

This issue of "support" is complex. There are the political leaders who support the Jihadis for geopolitical purposes - the Arabs mainly as an anti-Iran weapon, Turkey for its own expansionist plans). There are the Wahhabi religious leaders in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states who do so on ideological grounds, as do many rich people in these countries.

Then there are the ordinary people, who back them for a variety of reasons. Some are ideological, others political, including just plain anti-Western sentiment based on the feeling that Muslims are under attack by the West - mainly a legacy of the US invasions and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. (Yes, these followed the 9/11 attack, which was a trap deliberately set by the Wahhabi Osama bin Laden in order to cause this ideological war).

As for Pakistan, it does not in any way support IS or any of the other ME Jihadis. However, for its own foreign policy reasons, it clandestinely backs the Afghan Taliban (who have no ambitions beyond Afghanistan, whatever their sympathies), and, it is believed, nurtures some Jihadi types for use in Kashmir against India.

Wyoming

Patrick

For my edification if you please.

I do not know the history of all that has been said here in the past and may be missing a reason or two. Something significant seems to be missing as I do not understand most of your above responses.

You have made several posts in this thread, including the one just above, which are very passionate, but do not seem to actually be referring to what was in the posts you responded to.

What line is demonstrated above? Where is the post above out of line? It seems to me to be a reasonable point to bring up - though one may not agree with it it still is not improbable or even unlikely.

What b said above does not imply to this reader to show disrespect to the victims nor to be blaming France for the attack. But just as those of us in the US often see there are often unintended consequences of our actions and the approaches to improving these difficult situations often would be served by changing many of our current practices. Is that not what was intended in b's post?

I spent my entire professional life in the US intelligence community and directly witnessed the implementation of policies which heavily contributed to similar events as to what transpired in France yesterday. Acknowledging that does not disrespect the victims nor provide justification for the murder of our citizens or yours. It just points to another way - perhaps.

Respectfully.

Medicine Man

I am not sure what France is going to need to do in order to tighten her security. I'll want to see where these attackers came from before I speculate; were they citizens, 2nd generation immigrants, or just visitors drifting around the EU taking advantage of the open borders. Were they assisted by people inside the country? Hopefully Patrick Bahzad will have more insight as events develop.

I do think that getting more fully on board with Russia's military project in Syria is part of the long-term remedy for this madness though. I take Col. Lang's observations about this kind of extremism operating on a pattern, a generational sine wave. The current upsurge of sunni arab extremism needs to be neutered and the gulf state's appendage in the heartland of the arab world needs to be severed. The jihadis should be trapped and obliterated, and their ideology shown to be the medieval, impotent mess that it is. I bet a great many people in the region (lebanese, persian, egyptian) would not even begrudge us doing it. In the aftermath of the Jihadis' failure in the Middle East, hopefully the enthusiasm of the impressionable and alienated in other countries will be dulled.

TLDR summary: Our host has said it is dangerous to let these people gain ground abroad. Point taken.

Haralambos

Tyler, rjj, DeWitt, and DeWitt,
I will try to answer as briefly as possible. Thank you for the replies. As an American living in Greece, I got the name Haralambos. I have lived with the Greek bureaucracy on and off for many years. Greece has received 660,000 “refugees” or whatever one wants to call them this year. The process is largely pro forma: fill in some papers, get a number written on your hand, a name taken (with folks receiving them and folks rendering them not necessarily literate in the others’ languages and Arabic transcriptions into English problematic at the best), and the Greeks just passing them on to get rid of them; this is one possible answer.
Another is that Syrian passports are notoriously fakes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235320/PASSPORT-TERROR-MailOnline-reporter-buys-Syrian-papers-sold-ISIS-fighters-sneaking-Europe-hidden-refugees.html
Ultimately, if one needed an identity document to land on a Greek island this past year or more, given the Greek inability to process them with the security available to the US and some EU countries, it comes as no surprise to me that they manage to enter. The controversies involve many issues like Greek inefficiency and incompetence (due perhaps to austerity and political unrest here), Merkel’s promise of asylum for 100,000 or more, the desire of refugees to get to northern Europe where benefits are higher, friends or family await, or the sheer desire for martyr status.

jerseycityjoan has a piece on this upthread.

Patrick Bahzad

W,

Posts that are out of line are not published, that is why you may think there is something missing. Hope you'll understand I can't go into details, that would defy the whole purpose of not publishing those comments.

There is also a legal point here, as posters commenting out of France or the EU are subject to criminal prosecution for anything that could be seen as justifying/excusing the attacks or advocating for the organisation behind it. Again, I'm not talking about anybody in particular, I'm making a point of principle and I'm potentially saving some "misguided" posters a lot of trouble.

As far as b's post is concerned, he may argue of course that foreign policy adventures are liable to open the way to some blowback. However, I think there is a time and place for everything. And today isn't.

Being "passionnate" myself, curtosy of my Lebanese genes I suppose, I'll give anybody the same leeway in that regard, within the limits explained above.

PB

charly

Bringing democracy was a part of it. A small part, see Bahrain. If i was a cynic i would say it was only an excuse to go after countries that weren't allies.

Aka

Robb ,
sorry about that. No curfew. Just misleading news.

Johnny Reims

Condolences, PB, condolences.

Aka

Patrick Bahzad,

sorry about that. No curfew. Just misleading news.

Well at least to me (a outsider who has to rely on news media) it looks like a massive over-reaction.

I read your piece in August. And i know how terrorism works and how politicians, media "play" with it firsthand.

Patrick Bahzad

no worries

FB Ali

Reading through the comments, it seems to me that we are missing the key component of the solution to the problem highlighted by this tragedy in Paris (even though there have been a couple of references to it).

That component is Israel, and its policies. There appears to be little doubt that Israel gains by the wars and accompanying chaos that have, and still are, engulfing the Arab countries of the MENA. These wars have been initiated by the West (whatever the ostensible reason - payback for 9/11, R2P, etc).

Israel itself has not directly achieved these results. It has done so through its influence on US policies, and its unacknowledged alliance with Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies. In both of these spheres it has used the Iran bogey to good effect. By acquiring overriding influence on US policy, it has achieved the same over Western policies, especially in the ME.

No solution to the problems in the ME can be achieved without first ending Israel's direction of US policy in the region. Unfortunately, there do not seem to be any prospects for this to happen in the foreseeable future. In spite of the fact that these policies are clearly detrimental to US and Western interests. The rest of the world (and, indeed, many in the West) can only watch in wonder and bemusement.

Patrick Bahzad

Tyler,

We heard very tough words from the French Prime-Minister today: "annihilate this army of terror", "destroy the enemy in France, in Europe, in syria and in Iraq" "hit back, blow for blow" ... As I told TTG, if we can back that up with real action in the field, then so be it !

Who knows, job offers among French PMCs might even rocket sky high in a not so distant future ;-)

Tyler

Jld,

BS. They're a feral mob looking for handouts, pulling lorrie drivers out of their cabs and threatening French citizens. They should be deported at gunpoint.

Burning Calais was the right thing and should have been done months ago. GTFO with your appeasement logic.

Tyler

Patrick,

Zut alors!

I hope to advise your countrymen on border security here shortly.

Tyler

Patrick,

Im more amused at the lengths the Left will go to to deny that their pet refugees (born without sin) are anything but holy angels looking for a better life.

Patrick Bahzad

Roger that !

I suspect the focus of the training would be: 1. dig holes in the desert and 2. bury problems in those holes.

Tyler

James,

Lets move all the 3rd worlders to your neighborhood and see how much you love this diversity. You and the other idiots who believe in magical dirt theory by importing ferals are responsible for this kind of sh-t happening.

Tyler

Do I have the math right? A photo of one dead Syrian kid is equal to how many dead/wounded/raped Europeans?

alba etie

Brig Gen Ali,
Is it credible the assertion that the Mumbai terrorist attack was sponsored by elements of the ISI ? Some talking heads here in These United States are saying that the Paris attack was a 'copycat " of the Mumbai attack .

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