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13 November 2015

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William R. Cumming

Respectfully disagree. They are NOT builders but destroyers.

Thomas

"And who is the enemy this time?"

Wahhabis.

turcopolier

WRC

"Nihilism - from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. The Greek philosopher and Sophist, Gorgias (ca. 485 BC–380 BC), is perhaps the first to consider the Nihilistic belief. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value." wiki

jihadees seek the kingdom of god, as they understand it. This is not nihilism. their methods have no bearing as to whether or not they are nihilists. pl

John Minnerath

Good hunting to our French brethren!

PeterHug

Jose Calugas won one before he ever became a US citizen. I'm sure there are others but I haven't done the search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Calugas

Tigershark

No, they destroy in order to rebuild into their imagined "perfect state" Not destruction for destruction's sake.

rjj

Thought "nihilism" could also refer to means. Political nihilist originally applied to a subset of 19th C Russian overleisured and underoccupied revolutionaries.

It also describes our homegrown creative destructionist FP -- at least in effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilist_movement

turcopolier

rjj

Think about what we did with strategic bombing in WW2. Were we nihilists? pl

dabbler

"We are actively bringing down the secular regimes..."

It seems that the US argument for keeping the Saudis in place is the mirror (opposite) of the argument for taking down Assad. The Saud family is needed as a ruthless guarantor of stability for perceived interests in a vital area; the Assad family is not needed because the interests for which it has long provided stability are not consonant with the perceived interests of the US and its "allies". We need the Saudis, who export jihadis and the accompanying philosophy to their neighbors and others, including us; we don't need Assad because his country is unwillingly receiving jihadis ("he is a magnet...")

Didn't W say that we fight them there so that we don't have to fight them here? If we remove the "magnet", won't the jihadis disperse to other places? Won't the places they disperse to necessarily gravitate toward more ruthless internal governance?

rjj

that was more like a "measured response."

turcopolier

rjj

Je comprends. pl

The Beaver

Well I guess the chihuahua had to shut up after 129 innocent souls lost their lives in a western capital.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/syrian-transition-plan-achieved-by-u-s-allies-kerry-says

The Paris attacks “show that it doesn’t matter if you’re for Assad or against him,” said Lavrov, “ISIS is your enemy.”

The 18-month plan to establish a new Syrian government was called “very challenging but possible” by UN special envoy Steffan de Mistura, who sat between Kerry and Lavrov at the news conference.

De Mistura should know better and hopefully he has learnt from his stint as the envoy for Iraq with ban Ki-Moon son -in-law as his right man (just being sarcastic).

charly

It is like Australian states close their boarder. To little reason to keep it closed and to much reasons to open them. Besides the infrastructure is gone so they may control the highways but not the B-roads

Babak Makkinejad

Thank you for your comments,

I hope you are right.

My concern would be that the current posture of NATO states will continue - if for no other reason than institutional inertia.

I fear that even if that posture changes, almost forty years of active funding for propagation of Wahhabi ideas all over the Sunni Muslim world has rendered those understandings, at the very least, into legitimate and acceptable ones to many tens of millions of Muslims all over the world.

charly

$10 billion is less than $200 pp for France and Britain. That is not change but it is also not really serious money. It is also mostly government money which means that if society really wants to end it there wont be much opposition.

rst

Just spoke with a friend in Paris who had heard on the télé - maybe from PM Valls - that France will be stepping up the export of seditionary imams.

Babak Makkinejad

I see that the rectification of names is going to be an uphill battle.

Amir

Indeed

Amir

Seems like the same response that Clinton showed, when Bin Ladan attacked the embassies. On top of all these immediate "re"actions, one has to focus on "sustained ACTIONS". House of Saud en GCC need to change their behaviour and ideology and short sharp brief pushes are going to be easily deflected. If vengeance is the goal, a few cruise missiles will do but if one wants to remove the cancer, Wahabism needs to be defunded and structurally degraded.

William R. Cumming

Thanks P.L. but continue to disagree, respectfully of course. And sociopaths often can get a thrill from killing but from nothing else. I think brain post mortems might be of interest.

Amir

That is also a possibility. They should be quarantined and Saudi Arabia is a peninsula and the North is desert and easily cut off.

Amir

That is why I think an economic embargo would be helpful. You take away the currency of their thoughts and influence peddling. Much more deadly than any other macho action, their own subjects will take care of themselves.

Amir

When you zap the mosquito, don't forget it's neat and for sure this time around (at the very least plan to plan) drain the swamp.

Amir

Speaking to a daughter of Belgian Senator today, they are not sure that Putin's agenda in Syria is really to fight the Jihadis?! They think he has a hidden agenda!! Only one person but really baffles me.

Amir

It is amazing and sad that my C.P.L.'s war game scenario, became reality so soon.

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