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01 October 2015


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The two are not the same! Billmon's site was authored by Bill Montgomery. I followed him since the site's inception

bernard's site Moon of Alabama was a spin-off of Billmon's site, Whiskey Bar. bernard maintained the format of Billmon's site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billmon


His writing was widely cited and given Koufax awards.


Col. this link has some interesting amateur observations about Russian ships passing through the Bosporus. Particularly the video is worth watching as the amateur photographer notes the recent use of commercial shipping by the Russians to move military equipment and the vehicle markings matching Russian equipment that was seen in the Ukraine. http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/29/russian-navy-pours-south-through-bosphorus/
Also this link has an actual date and identity of military ship traffic http://turkishnavy.net/

Also of note we had speculated a few weeks ago that a Russian move to support Syria in a large way would likely be accompanied by a new round of arms purchases by the Iranians as payment and such a deal was announced this week for about $21 billion the day after the first Russian air attack; although I doubt the check has cleared the bank so to speak.

Babak Makkinejad

Likely, the cost is being paid with oil - per a deal that was negotiated a year ago.

Odin's Raven

Putin Akhbar!

Medicine Man

I suspect the slavish marriage to standardized air frames is motivated by profit margin not function. There are definitely benefits in terms of industrial efficiency having major components reused so widely but such standardization doesn't facilitate specialized tools for specialized jobs.

What I don't understand is why CAS is not seen as a mission that needs to be serviced. If there was a CAS lobby jockeying for budget dollars, the system would almost be working as designed, instead of all these rear-guard legislative actions that have been needed to save the A-10.


Yes, it's long ago, Haralambos, I know they aren't the same.

At the time it felt like "b" hjacked billmon's Whiskey Bar blog, with a slightly different passage of the Whisky Bar/Alabama song by Bertolt Brecht but the same layout. I guess I didn't like that. ;)

Billmon's Whisky Bar is still on Archive Org. Yes blog, job, kids can get too much. ;)

But odd to look at it again. Random pick, hmmm, David Horowitz and the Center of the Study of Popular Culture and its special events drew my attention too at the time:


Never looked at this:

I seem to remember that they (b?) already copied his blog while he was still publishing. But I may be wrong.

Yes, looks like it:


isis, al nusra, free syr army, chechens, mi6, cia, jew, jihadi mongrels, whatever...wipe em all out.

this rat dead is as good as that rat dead. eventually all rats will belly up.

president al assad is the president and whatever assistance russia gives will be to the govt therefore to president assad.


Unconfirmed French report of six Sukhoi 30s chasing four Israeli F-15s out of Syrian airspace. Israelis protested; Russians demanded an explanation. https://strategika51.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/syrie-duel-aerien-entre-des-sukhoi-su-30-sm-russes-et-des-f-15-israeliens/

Patrick Bahzad

You're free to consider that a more agressive stance would be in order.

However, I fail to recognize what "mi6, cia, jew" are doing in your list. Don't let this happen again.

Patrick Bahzad

I think you're getting carried away ...

Patrick Bahzad


Next task: make your own 'houmous' and 'falafel' ... ;-)

Patrick Bahzad

Let's not jump to conclusions.

Patrick Bahzad

i don't expect any mechanized iranian troops in Syria.

if they send troops, they gonna send basic infantry units, and try and "clean up" areas very much like Hezbollah did in Qusayr.

If you want to see what that looks like, do a search on youtube or liveleaks.

Patrick Bahzad

Kadyrov says lots of things.


It would be useful if someone here were to assess the credibility of this strategika51 website which appeared on MoA too, PB?

Patrick Bahzad

Think the Russian involvement has a couple other reasons.

Patrick Bahzad

I see it more as an exercise in creative writing ... kind of an intro to Tom Clancy novel.

In situations such as this, you'll get plenty of stories of all sorts, mostly crackpot junk.


mi6, cia, jew (meaning mossad or an amer volunteer) all have participants in one or another of the jihadi groups.

Babak Makkinejad

Yes, not clear he meant "Putin News/Transmission" or "Putin Greatest" without the attributive "o".

Likely an Israeli.


Hezbollah gets 30 Tanks so expecting to see the Iranians fight without tanks is not something i would expect. I would expect factory fresh export model T90's + some TOR's with them unlike the T55's Hezbollah gets.

Patrick Bahzad

If that is your opinion, then so be it. if you mean Mossad, just write that.

Patrick Bahzad

Sounds like you're the expert ... I take it you've fought Hezbollah or Pasdaran before, or at least studied their tactics over the years ?


Patrick, PL, and other in-the-know folks here...
According to this WaPo piece, there are both CIA trained and Pentagon trained Syrian "rebels" with the implication that the CIA had more success. How true is this? Is this another example of intra-govermental rivalries gone awry? Or a multi-pronged tactic that has gone awry?

U.S.-backed Syrian rebels appeal for antiaircraft missiles http://wapo.st/1LpDWJu
U.S. officials indicated that there is no immediate plan to offer additional assistance to the rebel units that have been armed and trained under a covert CIA-led program aimed at supporting moderate groups and weakening Assad’s hold on power.

The covert operation is separate from a much-publicized Pentagon program to train a force to fight the Islamic State that has so far produced no more than four or five loyal fighters, and it is widely credited with having helped rebel advances over the past six months in the areas now being targeted by the Russians.

More from WaPo... the levels of double and triple speak here are quite fascinating to behold, but here's the bit on the CIA trained rebels...

U.S. will not directly confront Russia in Syria, Obama says http://wapo.st/1OOK3Ym
The CIA has provided the thousands of fighters it has trained at secret bases in Jordan with communications equipment, intelligence support and arms, including antitank missiles. Those CIA-backed fighters reentered Syria across that country’s southern border with Jordan, but many have made their way into units that are now arrayed north and east of Damascus — areas that have been pounded by Russian strikes over the past several days.

To quote from the Lavrov interview that FB Ali provided above, explaining who Russia is attacking and why...

“If it looks like a terrorist, if it acts like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist, if it fights like a terrorist, it’s a terrorist, right?”


Patrick and Babak, I thinking Odin's Raven was being humorous/snarky. Many people, myself included, have written things in jest, irony or satire that have been taken seriously. I have seen Odin's Raven comment here and elsewhere and is legit.

Suggest all commenters here assume that people might take their snark seriously and make some sort of indication within their comment to indicate such.


I opened MoA when Billmon closed the comment section at his "Whiskey Bar".

I first didn't post anything at MoA but links to new Billmon pieces. People then could comment on them at MoA instead of the Whiskey Bar.

When Billmon stopped posting I started to write myself. It has developed a bit since and I believe I have found my own "voice".

Though I would like to write longer more grounded pieces time constrains usually limit me to short "fast sensations" posts.

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