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08 October 2015

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YT

RE: "Am a crank about old editions"

We are Kindred...

turcopolier

Trey N

I was a professor at USMA. While there I informed myself about the place. At the very beginning it only produced officers for the C of E, and only later began to send "surplus" graduates into the other arms, infantry, cavalry, artillery. the lone course in what could be called higher military studies was taught by DH Mahan and was thought to be not essential to the curriculum. On the other hand they learned to sketch beautifully, something essential as a skill for engineers. The tradition persisted for a long time that the very best graduates went into the C of E for the purpose of building national infrastructure; ports, dams, roads, etc. This remains an-undergraduate academic institution which does not emphasize the humanities or social sciences. pl

Trey N

A number of WP graduates later resigned from the Army Corps of Engineers to go to work in the burgeoning railroad industry before the war, George B. McClellan being the foremost example.

I assume the curriculum today includes more military studies than it did 150+ years ago. If so, what would the proportion be today and what courses would be included? Which classes did you teach?

Larry Kart

Colonel -- Any thoughts on Robert G. Tanner's "Stonewall in the Valley"? (I see that Tanner is a VMI graduate.) I have the revised 1996 edition.

Ryan

This is an excellent comparison and contrast you've written, Trey.

As for Old Jack's fatigue before the Seven Days too bad he didn't have a bunch of those lemons he liked!

turcopolier

Larry Kart

An excellent book. He cites my article on TJJ in his bibliography so it must be a good book. pl

turcopolier

Trey N

I am not a big fan of WP or any of the federal service academies. they are enormously expensive per graduate. I was ordered there to teach and begin an inter-departmental program in the Arabic language/literature and Middle East Studies. I taught Arabic and headed that program. The place is structured in such a way that faculty officers participate in the actual military training of the cadets and I did. You don't seem to know much about USMA. They have an on-line catalogue. This is still an undergraduate college that grants a degree and a commission in the US Army. Curricula are very heavy in science, math and engineering. Cadets are salaried while cadets and the whole place is paid for out of the budget of the US Army. Other than living in barracks in a life something like that of a soldier, cadets generally take a course each year that corresponds to what an ROTC cadet would be exposed to and do some sort of military duty in the summers, i.e., the first year in an introduction that is called "beast barracks," the second year at Camp Stilwell in the uninhabited western end of the USMA reservation. This is something like going to "outward bound with guns." The third year they go to units overseas to watch actual platoon leaders to see "how it is done" and at the end of the fourth year they graduate into the Army where they go their branch's basic course, infantry, armor, etc. along with ROTC graduates and begin to learn what it is to be a soldier rather than a cadet. many of the little darlings think that is a loss in status and they resign from the Army as soon as they can. There is a curriculum concentration called something like "Military Science." It is thought to be "the easy thing to do." and is not well regarded there. Retention in the Army is terrible. Wall Street is full of these guys. I was offered tenure and declined. pl

Larry Kart

Just ordered Henderson's "Stonewall Jackson and the American Civil War" -- two vol. 1926 edition, with maps.

Odin's Raven

Thanks for that.

Would it have been better for the world if the Ottomans had been weaker and the Safavids stronger? If the Turks had not taken what is now eastern Turkey, would the Kurds have been happier under Safavid rule? Would the Safavids have prevented the Afghans from attacking India and as the result, might the Sikhs never have been created?

Why is Muslim spelling so variable? It looks as if 'o' and 'u' are interchangeable. We have variously, Mahommed, Mohammad and Muhammad, but not a version using 'i' or 'e'. Surely by the 16th c they had devised the system of marks (presumably copied from Hebrew),indicating which vowel was to be used?

Also I'm curious whether there is some connection linguistic or mystic, between the Arabian Kaa'ba and the Hebrew Kabalah?

Trey N

Thanks, Ryan! I'm glad you enjoyed the Jackson - Forrest comparison.

And I don't think even a whole crate of full of lemons would have helped with the level of physical exhaustion that Stonewall was suffering from after that grueling two days of travel. I guess that experience shows that the body of a middle-aged man definitely has limits to the amount of stress that it can endure....

YT

Col. sir,

I believe the "Parameters" link to your '85 article is 'broken.'

turcopolier

YT

It works for me. pl

confusedponderer

Ditto.

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