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11 October 2015

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Bill Herschel

"Calling Obama a ‘Weakling,’ Chris Christie Says He Would Shoot Down Russian Planes Over Syria
“My first phone call would be to Vladimir, and I’d say, ‘Listen, we’re enforcing this no-fly zone,'” Mr. Christie said on MSNBC. “And I mean we’re enforcing it against anyone, including you. So don’t try me. Don’t try me. Because I’ll do it.”

Mr. Christie went on to say that Mr. Putin was “punching above his weight” and called Mr. Obama “this weakling in the White House.”

In a separate interview on Fox News, Mr. Christie said the United States faced a choice between letting Russia try to reconstitute the Soviet Union by expanding its influence in the Middle East or engaging in a military confrontation. Asked whether he thought it was wise to engage in a military conflict with Russia if it breached such an American no-fly zone, Mr. Christie said it would be necessary.

“You take him down,” Mr. Christie said, referring to Russian warplanes.""

Ashton Carter: "This will have consequences for Russia itself, which is rightfully fearful of attack upon Russia. And I also expect that in coming days, the Russians will begin to suffer casualties in Syria."

To which the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov replied by saying:

"The Russian Defense Ministry, in their evaluation of the actions of the US military and the various operations they are engaged worldwide, have never sunk down to the level to publicly express the hope for the death of US servicemen or, even less so, of ordinary Americans. Today’s announcement Pentagon chief Ashton Carter, unfortunately clearly illustrates the current level of political culture of some representatives of the US government or, should I say, their level of cynicism towards the rest of the world. I am sure that no US general would ever have allowed himself to express such feelings."

Jack

Sir

It looks like even Pravda on the Hudson is calling it the proxy war between the US and Russia in Syria.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-russia-airstrikes.html?_r=0

I wonder before how long the neocon and R2P cadres running our government apparatus are going to call foul and get more directly confrontational with the Russian forces. I also wonder how Putin reacts when his soldiers on the battlefield get painted for attacks by US military or CIA personnel in theater.

It seems to me we are witnessing a slide down the slippery slope when big egos and hubris around invincibility cloud sound judgment. Maybe it's time to dust off the "How to survive a nuclear war" manuals.

Medicine Man

I never knew that Katyusha is a Russian love song. The first I'd heard the term was from the name of the WWII era rocket artillery. The Russians are damned perverse sometimes, though I'll confess I appreciate the black humor of naming terrifying rocket projector something so benign.

Medicine Man

Ishmail,

Another old saying is at war with the one you quote: Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. It could easily be that the big heads in Washington still think they can have it both ways. And why not; they are used to doors being opened for them. Many of the people making the decisions have been enabled every step of the way.

Medicine Man

Col.: You feel the purpose of "Abuabdullah's" pro-Jihadi caricature was to paint the people he actually hates in as bad a light possible?

jld

What do you mean "enemy territory"?
/snark

confusedponderer

I think that the character of tactics they use betrays their personal character and the characteristics of their political sentiment.

Know them by their deeds: Here's another case of an asshole using asshole tactics because of an asshole's absolutist political persuasion that doesn't tolerate any dissent.

Hasbara translating as 'explaining' hardly does it justice. It is slash and burn stuff, not even engaging in debate, let alone 'persuasion'.

Will

thnx TTG- had to look it up, of course
"Nap-of-the-earth (abbreviated NOE) is a type of very low-altitude flight course used by military aircraft to avoid enemy detection and attack in a high-threat environment.[1]

During NOE flight, geographical features are used as cover, exploiting valleys and folds in the terrain by flying in, rather than over, them. This keeps below enemy radar coverage, avoiding "skylining". Other terms are also used, including "ground-hugging", "terrain masking", or "flying under the radar". The older term, commonly used for fixed-wing aircraft practicing this flight tactic in the World War II era, was "hedgehopping"." wikipedia

confusedponderer

Cee,
the gem in that link is this "All pallets successfully were recovered by friendly forces, a U.S. official said."

Friendly as in moderate. Unless the US official is kidding himself and the tv moron interviewing him, that means that the Unicorn army is still alive!

Balint Somkuti

http://warontherocks.com/2015/10/great-power-rivalry-anti-access-and-the-threat-to-the-liberal-order/

Another PolSci freak who understands very little about what is going even though he has -at least according to his bio- indsider knowledge.

confusedponderer

The Russians have iirc sold at least four TOS-1 to Iraq, and perhaps to Syria as well. They would certainly be useful against entrenched enemy infantry, or for that matter, anti tank positions. It would be straightforward, and the Russians have used them to their advantage in Chechnya.

In any case, nobody in his right mind wants to be at the receiving end of these beasts.

An glimpse of what the Russian effort will probably look like in this overview on the second Chechen war:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/Chechnya.pdf

I recall that during the Chechen wars the Russians use of thermobarics was decried as a war crime, which of is nonsense as there is no treaty banning these weapons. Using them isn't any better or worse than what the US is doing with their JDAMs. The US likes to use thermobaric weapons, too, and so do the Brits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPO-A_Shmel

http://defensetech.org/2005/11/14/marines-quiet-about-brutal-new-weapon/

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/aug/23/afghanistan.world

I would expect that vilification along those lines is being tried again, as in this other article from the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/05/russia.chechnya

As a result I'd be cautious with imagery of these launchers in action being attributed to Russia's current conflict in Syria.

Already the Ukies are claiming that these have been spotted in Ukraine, proving Russian intervention. Again! Given the Ukie habit of making up shit from nothing, often recycling imagery available on the internet, I don't buy it.

confusedponderer

Re the Mil Mi-28 - no doubt, if they have sent them, the Russians will find good use for those.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-28

What always strikes me is the Russian emphasis on firepower. The Apache is one hell of a combat helicopter, the Mil Mi-28 even more so. In terms of capability, the Havoc is an Apache supersized. More of everything. One impressive weapon system.

The gun they carry is in power rather along the lines of that on the A-10 (i.e. it is armour piercing wheras the Apache fires a HEAT or HEPD grenade) and it has a greater range than the gun on the Apache. The S-8 rockets they carry are 80mm when the Apache carries 70mm, the Mil Mi-28 carries more ordinance generally and so forth.

Wiki notes hat the Russians are to get laser guided 80 and 122mm rockets, which means that as far as precision capability goes, they would be an par with the US.

confusedponderer

And the Russians have not lost their sense for the practical, since according to Wiki:

"While the Mi-28 is not intended for use as a transport, it does have a small passenger compartment capable of carrying three people. The planned purpose of this is to enable the rescue of downed helicopter crews."

An alternative use would be to fly maintenance mechanics to a forward operating base, carrying spares and tools in pods under the stub wings. I recall that that was a proposed option in a Russian design for a 'Broncowski' COIN type twin boom aircraft developed (iirc by Suchoi or Aeroprogress) towards the end of the Afghanistan war.

confusedponderer

MM,
probably that in addition to insulting the host.

Will

of course- the shiny new Toyota Hilux picups were a dead giveaway. And also their unmolested parades. Since the Russ are engaged, they have cancelled Friday prayers in Raqqa.

Ishmael Zechariah

Will,
That seal belongs to the Republic. Do you know how old it is? tayyip is an MB supporter. Read his old speeches.
Ishmael Zechariah

Tyler

TTG,

I think I told you that I once had my ass in a serious sling on the Paki border and the timely arrival of Cobras and Hueys won the day sans casualties. They flew with elan, and routinely I remember them flying NOE when we were being transported. Of course that was back in the bad old days of 2003.

I don't remember seeing any Apaches flying what looks like treetop level to begin a strafe though. Yes, they impressed the hell out of me. Those Havocs look like flying battleships that make someone popping up with a manpad seem like a mouse giving the finger to a hawk.

LeaNder

I never had a stake in troll discussions, for whatever reason. Apart maybe from their capacity to distract/avert attention, and thus their annoying capacity.

But then, I am pretty sure I annoyed many here, e.g. FB Ali, who at one point I looked up, and had a lot of sympathy for as a result.

But two things above attracted my limited attention:

Ulema/Ulama and irredentism.

"My irredentism stems from a historical/theological bone to pick with the modern incarnation of Twelver Shiism"

 Ishmael Zechariah

Bill Herschel,

What branch of the armed forces did Mr Christie serve in, and for how long?

Ishmael Zechariah

Fred

CP,

I translate that as the moderates got the pallets the jihadists got the ammo and the logistics guys got CYA.

David Habakkuk

Medicine Man,

At the core of Stalinism was the project to transform what was essentially a peasant society so as to provide the industrial base for waging modern mechanised war – a project which entailed phenomenal brutality, but made possible the Soviet victory in the 'Great Patriotic War'.

Perhaps the fact that one of the most brutally effective Russian battlefield weapons has the same name as the wartime song has something to do with that fact.

Back in 2012, incidentally, someone put up on 'YouTube' a rather good version, in which a pretty young girl in Second World War uniform sings in front of a row of rocket launchers. Perhaps it was a reflection of a change in Russian attitudes, which has been developing over many years, and which underlies what is happening in Syria.

(See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG2dJAF1MRM .)

Also, at the risk of being frivolous, I cannot resist bringing in a comment by Eric Kraus. Of I think a family originally 'Hapsburg Jewish', Kraus grew up in France, and ended up as a fund manager in Moscow, where he married a spectacularly beautiful Russian girl.

For many years now, he has produced both some of the best, as well as the funniest, commentary on the post-Soviet space. Some time back he posted, on his 'Facebook' page, a joke. Question: What is the difference between a terrorist and a Russian wife? Answer: You can negotiate with the terrorist.

different clue

BostonB,

The DC FedRegime Gov is not necessarily the same as American Civilization. As more Americans come to see the DC FedRegime Gov as being on the wrong side of the split between Civilization and Jihaddery, they (we) may try to figure out more systematically how to reconquer and reoccupy what should be our own government.

Such a process begins with evermore people pointing out here and elsewhere that the DC FedGov is overtly pro-Jihad so that evermore people can read it and see it over and over again. Slowly it starts to enter the minds of more and more people who at first are not psychologically prepared to realize that a government they see as "their own" is in fact supporting entirely hostile forces.

different clue

BrotherJoe,

What if the whole secret-agenda point of the air drops was to resupply the jihadis as best as possible? At the risk of letting the threadbare dropcloth of plausible deniability wear thinner and thinner?

different clue

Ishmail Zechariah,

Why are Turkish Islamism and Turkish nationalism necessarily mutually exclusive? Why might not Erdogan have a psychological interest in being the great Turk who created a Turkocentric Sunni neo-caliphate?

different clue

Ishmail Zechariah,

Given how much of the ISIS leadership and fightership at least started as former Iraq Army soldiers and officers and possibly Secret Police, to what extent is ISIS still driven by an Iraqi Baathist desire for total revenge against the people who took away their power? And an ethnic revenge and hatred for Iraqi Kurds as revealed by early ISIS actions against Yazidi and other Kurds? And is therefor at least not congruent with the goals of other ISIS backers?

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