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21 September 2015

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Bandolero

turcopolier

The report says based on an Israeli news report it's likely that Netanyahu offered Putin operative intelligence information about US intelligence co-operation with Islamist forces in Syria.

So, basically, the report says Netanyahu offered to act as Russia's spy against the US if Putin doesn't prevent Israel to take action againt Hezbollah.

Will

Ah shucks, forgot to talk about the offshore gas fields. Off Gaza, Off Israel, off Lebanon, Cyprus, and Syria. Putin if nothing else is a businessman and always trying to make energy deals!

Imagine

Israel has hardened missile fields with Jericho-III ICBMs that can hit Moscow, indeed all of Russia (,Japan, US,) with a one-ton MIRV. Israel also has nuke-armed submarines that can cause arbitrary trouble with thermobarics, without needing to go nuclear. So perhaps Putin does not need to treat Netanyahu as an equal, but he must show him some respect.

the other half of it is Putin used to be a lawyer, IIRC, and really would prefer to do things by the books / avoid unnecessary international crossed wires, if at all possible. Russia foresees unnecessary huhu between Russian forces helping Syria, and Israel. So it could be simply a meeting at face value, to declare intentions.

Medicine Man

The thought of Bibi trying to strong-arm Putin brightens my day. Best of luck to that gargoyle.

I think Netanyahu's only real leverage is Putin's ancillary need to manage public relations with Israel. It is inconvenient for any world leader to appear anti-Israel, at least in the eyes of western leadership. That said, Bibi's thinly veiled bellicosity gives Putin a ton of room to maneuver when dealing with him.

turcopolier

richardetc.

IMO Obama has emerged as a social revolutionary in his second term heavily influenced once again by his wife and the feminine eminence noire ,Jerrod. all this business of DOJ encouragement of "Black Lives Matter," his continuing search for a way to disarm Americans and his unrelenting process of appointing people to government patronage based on race and other minority status clearly is a process intended to change the terms of social interaction in this country. IMO, that is socially revolutionary.

In re Syria, it continues to be my view that Russia intends to stabilize the combat situation in Syria enough to enable the creation of an anti-jihadi warfighting and political coalition. This will require ground combat. I anticipate that a composite force amounting to a division+ will be eventually committed.

A word of advice. Do not develop the habit of talking down to people here. That would not be appreciated. pl

turcopolier

imagine

The image of the Israeli mouse holding Russia at risk is so amusing that I do not know how to reply. pl

turcopolier

All

Harper is well connected. Pay attention to what he wrote about the Moscow meeting! pl

turcopolier

walrus

Israeli penetration of American government is so complete that one should assume that all is known to them. This does not keep them from making boneheaded errors but that is their fault. The Russians don't need any of that. All they have to do to know enough is watch the antic capering of the MSM in acting as mouthpieces for the WH. As an example, I watched Margaret Warner tonight on the Newshour as she repeated the WH talking points about Syria. pl

turcopolier

jld

Some people here have sources so good that they can never be named.
pl

Castellio

This rather long, but lively, quote is from the Israeli Uri Avnery, printed eleven years ago in an article entitled "the Oligarchs" in Counterpunch on August 3, 2004:

"This is a TV series about Russia. But it could have been about Israel. Or about the United States. It is entitled "The Oligarchs" and is now being screened on Israeli television.

Some of its episodes are simply unbelievable--or would have been, if they had not come straight from the horses' mouths: the heroes of the story, who gleefully boast about their despicable exploits. The series was produced by Israeli immigrants from Russia.

The "oligarchs" are a tiny group of entrepreneurs who exploited the disintegration of the Soviet system to loot the treasures of the state and to amass plunder amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars. In order to safeguard the perpetuation of their business, they took control of the state. Six out of the seven are Jews.

In popular parlance they are called "oligarchs"--from the Greek word meaning "rule of the few".

In the first years of post-Soviet Russian capitalism they were the bold and nimble ones who knew how to exploit the economic anarchy in order to acquire enormous possessions for a hundredth or a thousandth of their value: oil, natural gas, nickel and other minerals. They used every possible trick, including cheating, bribery and murder. Every one of them had a small private army. In the course of the series they are proud to tell in great detail how they did it.

But the most intriguing part of the series recounts the way they took control of the political apparatus. After a period of fighting each other, they decided that it would be more profitable for them to cooperate in order to take over the state.

At the time, President Boris Yeltsin was in a steep decline. On the eve of the new elections for the presidency, his rating in public opinion polls stood at 4%. He was an alcoholic with a severe heart disease, working about two hours a day. The state was, in practice, ruled by his bodyguard and his daughter; corruption was the order of the day.

The oligarchs decided to take power through him. They had almost unlimited funds, control of all TV channels and most of the other media. They put all these at the disposal of Yeltsin's reelection campaign, denying his opponents even one minute of TV time and pouring huge sums of money into the effort. (The series omits an interesting detail: they secretly brought over the most outstanding American election experts and copywriters, who applied methods previously unknown in Russia.)

The campaign bore fruit: Yeltsin was indeed reelected. On the very same day he had another heart attack and spent the rest of his term in hospital. In practice, the oligarchs ruled Russia. One of them, Boris Berezovsky, appointed himself Prime Minister. There was a minor scandal when it became known that he (like most of the oligarchs) had acquired Israeli citizenship, but he gave up his Israeli passport and everything was in order again.

By the way, Berezovsky boasts that he caused the war in Chechnya, in which tens of thousands have been killed and a whole country devastated. He was interested in the mineral resources and a prospective pipeline there. In order to achieve this he put an end to the peace agreement that gave the country some kind of independence. The oligarchs dismissed and destroyed Alexander Lebed, the popular general who engineered the agreement, and the war has been going on since then.

In the end, there was a reaction: Vladimir Putin, the taciturn and tough ex-KGB operative, assumed power, took control of the media, put one of the oligarchs (Mikhail Khodorkovsky) in prison, caused the others to flee (Berezovsky is in England, Vladimir Gusinsky is in Israel, another, Mikhail Chernoy, is assumed to be hiding here.)"

That sort of paints a picture, but while it notes that the television series neglects to talk about the relation of the Oligarchs with influential Americans collaborating with them, the link went far beyond election advisors and copywriters. It went to the World Bank and the IMF, and the State Department. The "auctions" held of Soviet resources were, to be circumspect, somewhat less than fair.

The point is this - it is treated as a fact throughout Russia that the country was controlled by Oligarchs collaborating with American banks and US governmental agencies for several critical years.

To put some of the consequence of that history in context, here are excerpts from an article in the NYT on June 11, 2007:

"ST. PETERSBURG, Russia, June 10 — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia called Sunday for a new global economic framework that would play down the role of institutions like the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organization and instead emphasize regional alliances.

(...)

The Russian leader’s ideas received a lukewarm response from the foreign officials in attendance.

Peter Mandelson, the European Union trade commissioner, countered Mr. Putin’s suggestion that regional economic alliances might replace global institutions like the I.M.F., which emerged more than half a century ago in the aftermath of World War II. “Globalization does not respect spheres of influence,” Mr. Mandelson said. “Membership in the W.T.O. is Russia’s ticket to a rules-based system.”

The meeting was held to reassure investors and foreign leaders that Russia remained committed to free trade and open to foreign investment, in spite of a chill in political relations with the West.

At the meeting, Boeing announced a $3.5 billion plane sale to the Russian national carrier Aeroflot. Also, Suzuki, Audi and Samsung announced new factories. In total, 30 deals were signed worth $13.5 billion, according to organizers."

Fred

Harper,

That sure makes sense to me. I can imagine that 1,000,000 Russian expatriates in Israel would potentially give the Russian Federation some modicum of influence similar to that which AIPAC enjoys in the US but with it costing far less money.

gemini33

If Lavrov's office is any indicator, it seems like they are out of patience. After the mortar attack on Russian embassy in Damascus, seems even more so. My impression of Lavrov is that he's one of the most effective statesmen operating right now.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/russia-flies-drones-over-syria/index.html

I don't have any insight into the Russian govt but I've been listening to Stephen Cohen every Tuesday night on The Bachelor Show (radio show) for more than a year. He claims that this Putin administration is not inclined to bluff. He has also worried for all these months that the hardliners in the inner circle would gain influence and succeed in pressing for more military action. He says that Putin manages a very delicate balance between the more liberal factions and the "statists" in that circle.

BostonB

I don't know what Carly's friend Bibi is worried about, but as an American taxpayer I've been worried sick about the Russians inadvertently striking one of our $100,000,000 men. Or even hitting targets nearby and triggering a heart attack. Or the colder months causing a cold. I mean, I hope to God each of them has been provided a medical team, a dental team, a nutritionist, physical trainer, sports psychologist, masseuse, grief counselor, Blackwater security detail,... to accompany each one of these $100,000,000 men wherever they go. I won't rest to they are safely in Berlin under the protection of Mama Merkel.

Croesus

and yet the Israeli mouse can hold America at risk.

Boehner, go for the hat trick: Netanyahu, Pope Francis, Putin.


o/t: apparently some Catholics are miffed that Obama has included in his Greet-the-Pope party a transgender, a dissident nun, and a gay Episcopal bishop.

Wonder who the White House rounds up to greet the rabbis when they come calling.

mike

I thought Syria already had S-300 missiles? If so, then I would expect that Iran has reverse engineered them and is probably building clones now.

Aka

all,
I think Harper is correct.

While Russia has a considerable Jewish population (including oligarchs), i think they know better than to interfere with the foreign policy on behalf of a foreign country (since obviously it is a very unpatriotic thing to do).

I see that the anti-defamation league (ADL) ranks Russia above Greece, Italy and most eastern European countries on antisemitism. If Russian Jews were to choose Israel above Russia (while they are still inside Russia), we will probably see a drastic drop in those ADL rankings.

turcopolier

Croesus

The Israeli mouse does not hold America at risk. This is a technical term fro nuclear targeting. The Israelis have so much influence here because we allow them to do so. They are weak. We are strong but they have created a false image here of the relationship and we accept it. The Russians are not so foolish. pl

The Twisted Genius

I am intrigued by the discussions of the Russia-Israel-Oligarch triad. Putin and the oligarchs seem to have come to an understanding where Putin lets the oligarchs live as long as they don't challenge him. Judging by Harper's read of the recent meeting between Putin and Netanyahu, Putin may see Bibi as just another oligarch.

jonst

Agree with you 110% on 1 and 2 above. As well, there are a lot of financial and collaborative efforts, I think, opaque ones, but there just the same, in the cyberspace/research sector. These boys are all swimming in the same waters.

Paul Escobar

Croesus,

Good. Pope Francis can reiterate Catholic principles...straight to their faces. ;)

Vladimir Putin recently offered Elton John the same opportunity for education.

Bless them,
Paul

jld

Thanks so much.

William R. Cumming

Yes they do IMO! Including cyber security knowledge and systems! And encryption.

William R. Cumming

Thanks for this insight!

William R. Cumming

Also note that the US gave Yeltsin $30B in new $100 bills for his election efforts transported by none other than Robert Rubin.

BostonB

[I thought I would give you a heads up so you can look for your invitation in the mail, Colonel.]:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to receive 2015 AEI Irving Kristol Award

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Washington, DC (September 22, 2015) — American Enterprise Institute (AEI) president Arthur C. Brooks announced today that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will receive the 2015 Irving Kristol Award on November 9, 2015, in Washington, DC. The annual award, AEI’s highest honor, is given to individuals who have made exceptional practical and intellectual contributions to improve government policy, social welfare, or political understanding. The winner is selected by AEI’s Council of Academic Advisers. The award ceremony and dinner will be held at the National Building Museum in Washington, DC.

https://www.aei.org/press/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-to-receive-2015-aei-irving-kristol-award/

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