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alba etie

May the Traitor Pollard - rot in jail forever plus one day .

Booby

My guess is that the deal is done; but the release will not be announced until November after the parole board approves the release. This will provide the WH with a "beard".

Oofda

Or send half of him to Israel now and half in two years, depending upon Israel's good conduct.

confusedponderer

Maybe so. Israeli protestations would then be part of Bibi's beard in such a deal.

Still, the Israelis may just be themselves. It wounds like something they would say on any day of the week, irrespective of any deal perhaps having already been reached.

I am hesitant to read what you suggest into this.

My hunch is that the Obamaites offered Pollard as a concession, believing it would 'improve relations', and the Israelis are ready to take it, and will try to milk it to the fullest and try to to get something else on top of it.

It wouldn't feel like winning if they wouldn't at least try to squeeze a delivery of JDAM or F16 from the US at least - before they renege on any promises they offially didn't make anyway.

My impression is that the idea of a win-win scenario is alien to Netanyahu's brain.

William R. Cumming

IMO the major POLLARD value to US has been overlooked. He never disclosed other Israeli spies working against the US nor exact details of all of his efforts.

So POLLARD release only if he and Israelies cooperate fully on disclosure as to their spy operations in the US and any secret dual citizenship granted to American Jewish citizens and residents and registration of AIPAC under FARA.

turcopolier

WRC

The Israelis can never do that. The "ring" is still extant and functioning within The Borg. pl

Lars

He should only be released after Israel gives full citizenship and civil rights to their Palestinian population. That would keep him locked up for the foreseeable future.

Cee

Col. Lang,

They're getting the aid and this criminal.

Satirical website The Onion has unintentionally made an accurate prediction, running a spoof story about Washington’s readiness to ship missiles to Israel after the Iranian nuclear deal. Just 24 hours later media reported that the missile offer was real.


The fake news story, which appeared on the Onion on July 14, was headlined “US Soothes Upset Netanyahu with Shipment of Ballistic Missiles.”


https://www.rt.com/usa/310505-onion-israel-us-missile/

They're not going to stop spying on us and we continue to pay for it.

Israel’s espionage activities in America are unrivaled and unseemly, counterspies have told members of the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees, going far beyond activities by other close allies, such as Germany, France, the U.K. and Japan. A congressional staffer familiar with a briefing last January called the testimony “very sobering…alarming…even terrifying.” Another staffer called it “damaging.”

http://www.newsweek.com/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757

And then some...

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/spy.html

Grimgrin

The Duffel Blog offered this the last time there was talk of Pollards release:
"U.S. Accidentally Repatriates Israeli Spy To Iran" http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/04/israeli-spy-to-iran/

J

Colonel,

Do you really think they'll release Pollard to the Israelis?

Charles Dekle

I am reading an account of how the Naval Investigative Service (NIS) caught Jonathan Pollard. The author played an integral role in apprehending Pollard and getting the confession that led to Pollard's conviction. The preface sets a depressing tone: "Tragically, long before he started spying, the Navy had many opportunities to fire him but didn’t. As a result, his espionage activity did irreparable damage to the national defense of the United States."

Olive, Ronald J. (2013-09-02). Capturing Jonathan Pollard: How One of the Most Notorious Spies in American History Was Brought to Justice (Kindle Locations 114-116). Naval Institute Press. Kindle Edition.

Regards,

rjj

He is a dodgy character. What kind of life can he look forward to if released? He will be distrusted -- and worse, obscure.

confusedponderer

Given the following he has gotten in Israel and amongst the misled Americans who call for his release, Pollard will be hailed and feted as a martyr until they find out what a creep he is.

They'll then probably blame the US prison system for having made their hero that way.

BabelFish

This is what happens when you don't execute traitors.

turcopolier

Charles Dekle

I had the misfortune to know the navy intelligence admiral who hired this little s--t to work for them at the navy intel center at Suitland, Maryland. He never could explain why he hired him. Pollard was OBVIOUSLY not someone you wanted working for you in the spook business. As for Pollard's disposition, I would say that either the Israelis deal over him (either in private or publicly) or we find a reason to hold him until he croaks. pl

ex-PFC Chuck

The Onion is perhaps the most profoundly prescient "news" publications in America. From January 17, 2001:

http://www.theonion.com/article/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros-464

rjj

Given the following we ARE TOLD he has in Israel....

they are not idiots.

Their grandparents spoke Yiddish, which was as rich in terms for human foibles as Inuit is/was for snow. Takes more than two generations for that sort of knowledge to be lost.

QUALIFIER: I am only guessing, but would bet on it.

rjj

What would happen to him if he were handed over to the Israelis? Wouldn't he be subjected to some um, rigorous questioning?

confusedponderer

"Wouldn't he be subjected to some um, rigorous questioning?"

For what purpose? He has given what he could give them, and is worthless as a source now that he no longer enjoys access.

William R. Cumming

Agree so Pollard stays put!

William R. Cumming

Dual citizens are often on Members and Committee stsff

Allen Thomson


I probably don't understand this but isn't, under law, Pollard up for mandatory parole on 21 November unless the Administration can show he's misbehaved in prison or presents a threat of future criminal activity?

If so, the Administration seems to have three options:

1. Do nothing and let the Parole Commission decide. Since Pollard seems to have behaved himself in prison and is unlikely to get access to classified material in the future, there's a good chance he'll be let go.

2. Come up with some argument to persuade the Parole Commission that he's still a threat.

3. Let him go before 21 November, which would obviously be an ill-advised and futile political move.

I'm guessing 1.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/24/426023212/convicted-spy-jonathan-pollard-is-eligible-for-parole-in-november-could-be-relea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Parole_Commission

Allen Thomson


Was Adm Shapiro actually involved in hiring him? I know that Rich Haver recommended he be fired and Shapiro has expressed regret that he didn't do so.

rjj

They would be interested in what he had disclosed about what he knows wouldn't they?

Charles Dekle

Col Lang,
I am about a quarter of the way through the book. It is amazing how many red flags were raised by Pollard's behavior even before he was granted the TS/SCI access that he was desperate to have. Of course I have the advantage of 20/20 hindsight but the admiral certainly was derelict, in my opinion.

I agree. He should never get out of prison for the damage that he caused to our National Security.
Kind regards,

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